• As many long-time, die hard SCC fans will recall, the cessation of active campaign organization here at savethescc.com was a decision driven in part by the standstill in the Terminator franchise following Pacificor's procurement of film rights.

    In December 2012, Annapurna Pictures finalized a deal with Pacificor for the rights to additional film installments in the Terminator franchise, which represents the first new activity in the Terminator 'verse since the cancellation of The Sarah Connor Chronicles.

    So if you're reading this, remember that you are the Resistance and that it doesn't hurt to take a minute or two to remind the WB of that.

    No fate.

    January 1 2013

  • Transcribing the Awesome

    Context: www.savethescc.com runs viewing parties in our chatroom every weekend. Including one night during which we had some unexpected guests…

    Please note: What you see here is the log from the chatroom, and as such has been heavily edited, but the actual comments made by all members have been reproduced verbatim. Time stamp is Eastern Standard Time. Much thanks to cinebo, m_33 and drek.

    jfhenryJosh Friedman

    ashman01Ashley Edward Miller

    prepschoolrapist/apologeticdanDan Thomsen

    Warning: There IS profanity in the following transcription. Be warned.

    Please do not reproduce this transcript anywhere without permission from the mods.

    10:00PM – 11:26PM – Chatroom members watch Born to Run at FOX On Demand and begin watching Ourselves Alone.

    11:26PM EST – jfhenry has joined #savethescc

    11:26PM – 11:36PM – We discuss Ourselves Alone, Josh Friedman’s iron grip on spoilers, FutureJohn/Cameron and plumpynut.

    11:36 PM – < jfhenry> I just want to say that you guys doing this on a saturday night when the show isn’t even on warms my spoiler-hating heart.

    11:36PM – 11:38PM – We ignore jfhenry because we are cynical people that get a lot of strange visitors and discuss the Jesse/Riley fight instead.

    11:38PM – < JH> im the real JH

    11:38PM – < jfhenry> @JH I’m the real JF

    11:38PM – 11:40PM – We continue to ignore jfhenry

    11:40PM – < jfhenry> You can be him, JH, but I wrote him.

    11:40PM – We persist in ignoring jfhenry and talk about bleached skulls, Clorox and how fireworks = Judgment Day. And then things get interesting.

    11:41PM – < jfhenry> I wouldn’t say it was easy. it took us all day to shoot the scene

    11:41PM – < R> jfhenry. Hahaahaha

    11:42PM – < timt2318> well, if friedman had gotten his way riley wouldnt have been introduced until the 7th or 8th ep

    11:42PM – < R> what is ur job on tscc?

    11:42PM – < jfhenry> but I made the most of it didn’t I, timt2318?

    11:42PM – < timt2318> what, jfhenry?

    11:42PM – < timt2318> most of what

    11:42PM – < cinebo> god i hated jesse after this ep

    11:42PM – < jfhenry> riley intro’d in ep 2.

    11:43PM – < RoxyB> Riley was okay at the beginning – kinda fun, but she got dull

    11:43PM – < R> beat her up!

    11:43PM – < beyondmany> dang….

    11:43PM – < timt2318> yep, why you say you made the most of it

    11:43PM – < R> aaaand shes dead

    11:43PM – < timt2318> are you josh friedman….

    11:43PM – < jfhenry> i am

    11:43PM – 11:46PM – That chatroom continues to ignore, the mods start thinking ‘oh no, here we go, another weirdo’ and the chat turns to John/Cameron and the pocket watch killswitch.

    11:46PM – < jfhenry> @timt thought I’d come by and say thanks to everyone.

    11:46PM – < timt2318> thanks for what, jfhenry

    11:46PM – < jfhenry> for supporting my show

    11:46PM – What are the rest of us doing? Still talking about Ourselves Alone

    11:47PM – < timt2318> ah. well if you are josh friedman why dont you convice fox to renew it tomorrow

    11:47PM – < jfhenry> i am josh friedman and I can’t even convince you I am.

    11:47PM – < aelysian> I am God and I can’t even convince you I am.

    11:47PM – < RoxyB> Yeah and I’m Lena Headey

    11:47PM – < cinebo> hey i’ll believe it

    11:47PM – < JH> then why is ur name henry?

    11:48PM – < timt2318> becasue were on a chat

    11:48PM – < R> and i’m thomas dekker

    11:48PM – < astropixie> I’m Summer Glau

    11:48PM – < RoxyB> Damn – so it’s just all us show people in here. Where the hell are the fans?!

    11:48PM – 11:51PM – the conversation continues on this trend until…

    11:51PM – < jfhenry> send an email on my public email. ——-@gmail.com. I’ll respond on this chat.

    11:51PM – < cinebo> LOL

    11:51PM – < persia> do it cinebo

    11:51PM – < starkiller> if its really him he should tweet something now

    11:51PM – < R> starkiller good idea

    11:51PM – < persia> sen an email

    11:51PM – < timt2318> even better, post what you’re doing right now on twitter

    11:51PM – < R> jh if it’s really u tweet a hello for us here

    11:51PM – < R> *jf

    11:51PM – < astropixie> Yes, tweet for us

    11:51PM – < RoxyB> YEAH!

    11:52PM – < jfhenry> done (Note: You can find his tweet here.)

    11:52PM – < aelysian> Well this is getting interesting.

    11:52PM – < persia> No Fucking WAY!!!

    11:52PM – < persia> It really is

    11:52PM – < astropixie> Dude, we were so close to blocking you

    11:52PM – < RoxyB> OMFG

    11:52PM – < astropixie> Just so you know

    11:52PM – < twistdmentality> Holy crap

    11:52PM – < cinebo> holy sh*t

    11:52PM – < RoxyB> Coolness

    11:52PM – < drek> OMG

    11:52PM – < R> omg

    11:52PM – < cinebo> NIIIIICE!

    11:52PM – < R> we love uuuuuu

    11:52PM – < jfhenry> well that would’ve been ironic

    11:52PM – < persia> Breathe!!!

    11:52PM – < timt2318> holy shit

    11:52PM – < drek> we love you

    11:52PM – < starkiller> OMG

    11:52PM – < drek> JF!

    11:53PM – < aelysian> Someone grab me a defibrillator.

    11:53PM – < timt2318> josh f*cking friedman

    11:53PM – < jfhenry> like I said, I appreciate the dedication. so i stopped by.

    11:53PM – < drek> hahah

    11:53PM – < twistdmentality> sonofabitch, my heart is pounding

    11:53PM – < aelysian> Dear god. We almost kicked him out.

    11:53PM – < cinebo> yeah the hell with coffe lol

    11:53PM – < timt2318> dude, this is awesome – fan interaction

    11:53PM – < twistdmentality> this is like epic geekery happening right now

    11:54PM – The chatroom seems to find its senses. Sort of.

    11:54PM – < timt2318> Josh, is there anything fans can do to help ensure a season 3

    11:54PM – < jfhenry> You’ve done all you can do re S3. Whatever happens, happens.

    11:54PM – < cinebo> man either way Josh thanks so much for everything…it’s been awesome!

    11:55PM – < jfhenry> If you guys would’ve blocked me it would’ve been awesome. It would’ve given me something to tweet about

    11:55PM – < astropixie> So, is there anything else we should be doing before Monday?

    11:55PM – < timt2318> josh, have you thought about a fan funded season 3?

    11:55PM – < R> jf ur so cool for showing up here. how did u hear about this viewing party?

    11:55PM – < aelysian> This mod is about to fall over and *die*

    11:55PM – < persia> I’m so glad I didn’t go to bed

    11:56PM – < cinebo> right?

    11:56PM – < twistdmentality> Stay alive! Enjoy the moment

    11:56PM – < astropixie> This mod feels like the biggest frakking tool

    11:56PM – < m_33> who needs to go to bed…. sunrises here.

    11:56PM – < RoxyB> Ausiello would’ve had a breaking news story “TSCC FANS REJECT SHOWRUNNER ON EVE OF DECISION”

    11:56PM – < JH> everyone say thank you to the mods for puttin up with us

    11:56PM – < cinebo> LOL

    11:56PM – < drek> lol roxy

    11:56PM – < drek> yeah thanks mods

    11:56PM – < jfhenry> cristina moreno tweeted about it

    11:56PM – < drek> thanks JF for showing up!

    11:56PM – < cinebo> Yes definitely Josh thanks so much for showing up!!

    11:56PM – < aelysian> While oxygen is still in my bloodstream…thank you so, so much. For simply everything.

    11:56PM – < jfhenry> thanks to all of you for caring so much

    11:56PM – 11:58PM – The chatroom cheers for Josh. It’s very geeky and does not require reproduction here.

    11:58PM – < drek> Josh what do you think about the dollhouse pickup?

    11:59PM – < jfhenry> @drek Happy for them. 20th owns the show so it’s a different calculus than SCc

    11:59PM – < timt2318> could TSCC be picked up by the CW if fox stupidly passes

    11:59PM – < drek> or Sci-Fi even

    12:00AM – < jfhenry> @timt doubt it. CW doesn’t have the cash to make the show

    12:00AM – < jfhenry> you mean SyFy

    12:00AM – The number of users in the chatroom is steadily rising and the topic of fansites comes up.

    12:01AM – < R> the blog run by the writers is the best

    12:02AM – < jfhenry> hadley does a great job

    12:02AM – ashman01 has joined #savethescc

    12:03AM – < ashman01> Let me guess, jfhenry is friedman

    12:03AM – < jfhenry> hey buddy

    12:04AM – the topic of twinkies comes up.

    12:04AM – < jfhenry> Ash and the writes made me a cake out of twinkies and ding dongs for my birthday. the awesomeest

    12:05AM – < ashman01> it was more awesome than awesome.

    12:05AM – < R> JF any plans for another golden apple visit for s2 dvd?

    12:05AM – < jfhenry> @RI’m up for it if someone organizes it. if we don’t have a show it’ll be dubious

    12:07AM – on the mods’ near failure and plot points.

    12:07AM – < jfhenry> they almost kicked me out ash

    12:07AM – < ashman01> I heard. I was quite amused. story breaks would have been much different if we’d had that power irl.

    12:07AM – < ashman01> e.g., I’m quite certain Sarah would have been reunited with her father during a bank heist.

    12:07AM – < jfhenry> No shit Ash. No shit.

    12:07AM – < ashman01> for the record, I would have voted no.

    12:07AM – < jfhenry> Easy to say now. but I believe you, ash.

    12:10AM – on Shirley Manson, Toni Graphia and ‘Donald Where’s Your Trousers?’

    12:10AM – < phikappa> Hey JF, in her appearance on Craig Ferguson, Shirley Manson said she was out of the job. She scared me.

    12:10AM – < jfhenry> well, she’s not getting paid currently. so, technically. she is out of a job.

    12:10AM – < RoxyB> Shirley Manson is always hilarious on Craig Ferguson

    12:10AM – < ashman01> what she meant was that Garbage told her they wanted a new lead singer.

    12:11AM – < jfhenry> they’re making a transcript, ash.

    12:11AM – < ashman01> oops

    12:11AM – < thisyearsgirl> hahha yeah garbage wants ashlee simpson to join now. no more shirley

    12:11AM – < ashman01> i’m not saying fuck nearly enough.

    12:11AM – < astropixie> Don’t make us kick you off, ash. Profanity is against the rules.

    12:12AM – < ashman01> shit. seriously?

    12:12AM – < astropixie> Fuck no, not right now

    12:12AM – < phikappa> I want to hear Shirley seen Donald Where’s Your Trousers. Seriously, how did y’all choose that song to use?

    12:12AM – < jfhenry> ash and I are the biggest users of the word fuck that I know.

    12:13AM – < jfhenry> toni graphia found that song.

    12:13AM – < aelysian> Maybe it’s bad to fangirl someone when someone who knows them is right there, but…Toni Graphia is much loved by us Cameron fans. MUCH LOVED.

    12:13AM – < phikappa> It was so out of place, but so creepy. And it’s a fucking drinking song.

    12:13AM – < astropixie> We heart Toni Graphia

    12:13AM – < twistdmentality> Toni Graphia is fucking awesome

    12:14AM – < jfhenry> yeah I made them sing it like a dirge.

    12:14AM – < heroeswench> No matter what happens I want to say thanks to both of you guys for such a great series. I have never fought this hard for a show before and it is cause of the greatness you guys have written along with everyone else who writes for the show.

    12:14AM – < jfhenry> we appreciate it.

    12:15AM – < ashman01> thank josh. we’d be knee deep in long lost relatives and terminators of the week without him.

    12:15AM – < ashman01> ok, so maybe there are a COUPLE long lost relatives

    12:15AM – < ashman01> at least one. maybe two.

    12:15AM – < ashman01> ok… three. but three, tops.

    12:17AM – On The Much Anticipated/Dreaded Monday

    12:17AM – < astropixie> So we’re still calling, emailing, and emailing advertisers…can you guys suggest anything else that we could be doing before Monday?

    12:17AM – < jfhenry> get on your knees and pray.

    12:17AM – < ashman01> oh, bash away. trust us, we’re pros. we’re pretty good at bashing back.

    12:17AM – 12:20AM – The chatroom frets about Monday, Dollhouse, and the all consuming need for Season Three.

    12:20AM – < jfhenry> Usually I’ve got eighteen Summer questions by now. Don’t start.

    12:20AM – < ashman01> josh… did you see the video that jweggers posted on youtube? did everyone see that?

    12:20AM – < usagiko> omg it was great

    12:20AM – < cinebo> yes ashman

    12:20AM – < gregsky> yes, it’s niice

    12:20AM – < drek> Yeah JF did you see the video we made “i am sarah connor” and “We are the resistance”

    12:21AM – < GKnee77> yes ash GREAT vid he did

    12:21AM – < Paty> BRASIL LOVES TSCC

    12:21AM – < cinebo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAJJxqeNMjE

    12:21AM – < timepassedyouby> If you’re talking about that trailer for the show, I saw it and LOVED it.

    12:21AM – < jfhenry> I did see the vids. thanks. they’re great.

    12:20AM – 12:24AM – The chatroom is suddenly flooded with people and coherent conversation is near impossible. Snippets of evidence below…

    12:24AM – < jfhenry> I usually just cruise around the net making sure Ash and Zack aren’t spoiling things.

    12:24AM – < persia> @ JOSH FRIEDMAN is this like the worst fan convention you’ve ever been too?

    12:24AM – < prepschoolrapist> Hey Ash. Twitter told me to do this.

    12:24AM – < ashman01> the skynext podcasts are awesome.

    12:24AM – < heroeswench> LOL. Ash and Zack behave pretty well.

    12:24AM – < jfhenry> I know but they’re fun to tease.

    12:25AM – < rafabra> Brazilians love the TSCC

    12:26AM – < schmacky> holy hell there’s a lot of people in here!

    12:26AM – < kevinj> this is slow, 10th wonder had 300 people in theirs

    12:26AM – < ashman01> maybe they did have 300 people, but did they have 300 awesome people? I think not.

    12:27AM – < heroeswench> So, if Fox disappoints us, are there hopes for other outlets Josh? Where do we start?

    12:28AM – < jfhenry> If Fox says no I think we’re done. I know no one wants to hear that, but zI think that’s the case.

    12:28AM – < astropixie> Good question, heroes. What should we do if the news on Monday is bad?

    12:28AM – < thisyearsgirl> I think if TSCC gets canceled it should infiltrate Scrubs and take over that show entirely. And Melrose Place. And 90210.

    12:28AM – < Bleek> Just want to say: Save The Chronicles!

    12:28AM – < ashman01> right now I’m testing out a strategy of feigning disinterest

    12:28AM – < usagiko> What’s the chance of another network picking us up if we get canceled?

    12:28AM – < prepschoolrapist> I hear Starz is a lovely place to work

    12:29AM – < ashman01> here’s what you do if the show doesn’t get a pick up. be glad you had 31 episodes you really enjoyed, and that it left you wanting more.

    12:29AM – < kevinj> @Josh, thank you for a GREAT show, and I think FOX will give you another seasojn

    12:29AM – 12:30AM – Talk descends into the land of how to Save Sarah Connor and turns to the Dollhouse pickup.

    12:30AM – < jfhenry> No reason to focus on Dollhouse. Any show picked up is one spot less. Be happy if Fox supports any quirky SF. No one else does right now.

    12:30AM – < thisyearsgirl> Because Fox only has a limited number of shows they can pick up. Dollhouse and TSCC both got not great ratings. I wouldnt think theyd pick up two shows with not good ratings.

    12:30AM – < prepschoolrapist> My dinner tonight was turkey lunch meat wrapped around a cheddarjack cheese stick and some teajava and it made me think of Josh Friedman.

    12:31AM – < persia> @JOSH FRIEDMAN what is a question you are sick of hearing?

    12:32AM – < jfhenry> @persia, well, if we don’t get picked up Monday i figure no one’ll ask me another question for the resst of my life. So why complain?

    12:33AM – < thisyearsgirl> Dollhouse got a lot better after the first few episodes. It’s going to be a good show. But DH and TSCC together were a great night, IMO

    12:33AM – < cinebo> @JOSH FRIEDMAN nah man you’re a genius for creating TSCC, we’ll watch anything you make dude

    12:33AM – < ashman01> technically, we ended on an up trend. DH ended down, more or less falling off a cliff with the Prison Break lead-in. We can empathize.

    12:34AM – < jfhenry> The show cost 2.7 the first year, and avg’d out below 3 mill the second year. about the same or a little less than dirty sexy money, pushing daises, the like.

    12:34AM – < cinebo> @ASHMAN – wow is this what your twitter looks like every day dude?

    12:34AM – prepschoolrapist was kicked from #savethescc by aelysian [aelysian]. Yes. We kicked out Dan Thomsen. In our defence, we didn’t know it was him.

    12:34AM – < ashman01> more or less cinebo

    12:35AM – < ashman01> except I say fuck a lot more on twitter.

    12:36AM – < ggmarie1234> @josh and ash…i just wanted to give you props for casting jj as kyle…i’d never seen T:SCC or any of the terminator movies until you cast him and i just luuuv him. and now i am totally, totally sucked into the fandom. *hugs terminator in all its incarnations*

    12:36AM – < LordByronX> does warner/sony anyone help w/ the bills since the movie?

    12:36AM – < jfhenry> @lordbyron No.

    12:36AM – < ashman01> I’ll tell you what… we had a lot of really great writers on TSCC. But you know who really sucked, Josh? Dan Thomsen.

    12:36AM – < ashman01> Dan Thomsen blows dead bears.

    12:37AM – < jfhenry> Did he just show up in here?

    12:37AM – < ashman01> he may have, Josh. He may have.

    12:38AM – < jfhenry> is he the one to drunk to type?

    12:38AM – 12:39AM – Inebriation is discussed, which morphs into discussion about what Monday will hold for everyone.

    12:39AM – < jfhenry> I’ll be at therapist at 8am, deli for lox and eggs with john wirth at 930. Home by eleven working on a spec.

    12:40AM – Documenting aelysian’s brilliance and getting the backstory.

    12:40AM – < ashman01> who kicked prepschoolrapist?

    12:40AM – < apologeticDan> Ash, I’m back

    12:40AM – < ashman01> lol

    12:40AM – < apologeticDan> apparently the kick didn’t block my IP

    12:40AM – < apologeticDan> yay

    12:40AM – < ashman01> nice

    12:41AM – <astropixie> For the record, aelysian did.

    12:41AM – < ashman01> the unfortunately named aforementioned prepschoolrapist is in actuality young Dan Thomsen.

    12:41AM – < ashman01> cute, ain’t he?

    12:41AM – < jfhenry> oh. I didn’t look at the name. that’s what I said dan looked like when I met him.

    12:41AM – < phikappa> Dan Thomsen is a prepschool rapist?

    12:41AM – < apologeticDan> I think it was the combination of my green font and my nonsequitor references to Josh’s preferred foods during the season

    12:41AM – < ashman01> lol josh

    12:41AM – 12:44AM – We realize how freaking lucky we are.

    12:43AM – < cinebo> yeah it’s cool to just talk to you guys like it’s no big deal….

    12:43AM – < ashman01> well, we appreciate every crazy thing you crazy fuckers have done to show the love.

    12:44AM – < ggmarie1234> ash, dan, josh, will u guys know before us on monday? or do find out when fox announces it, like us minions?

    12:44AM – <~astropixie> Hee. We’re crazy fuckers.

    12:44AM – < phikappa> JH, that makes you more interesting. You’re just like us only you are the geniuses behind TSCC. Your celebrities that aren’t arrogant.

    12:44AM – < GKnee77> @Ash I already explained you and Josh are like Jesus to us fans, remember Josh and Jesus fighting crime together

    12:44AM – < ashman01> now there’s a name for a fan movement, am I right?

    12:44AM – < usagiko> @ashman: oh yes

    12:44AM – < jfhenry> There is no plan for Monday. I know that seems bizarre. But I figure someone’ll find me if they need me.

    12:44AM – < ashman01> Trekkies. Browncoats. Crazy Fuckers.

    12:45AM – <astropixie> We’re the Resistance, bitches.

    12:45AM – < timt2318> Ashman, i think Demented Crazy F*ckers is more apt

    12:45AM – < m_33> ashman : We are the resistance.

    12:45AM – < cinebo> @ASHMAN dude that’s how badass you guys and tscc are, you bring out the “crazy f**kers” in us ; )

    12:46AM – < ashman01> I love LA. It’s the greatest city on Earth. All you need to do is go to the Studio City Hand Car Wash, hang out for like an hour and you’ll understand this in its fullness.

    12:47AM – < apologeticDan> @ash The car wash with the giant hand on Ventura?

    12:47AM – < ashman01> the very one

    12:47AM – < Tom> So you ‘ll just get a phone call on Monday? Or what?

    12:47AM – < apologeticDan> I used to live on the hill above that place.

    12:47AM – < apologeticDan> Sunshine Terrace. A weird, weird place.

    12:47AM – < LucasZenHannon> @ash, I see your LA’s Studio City Car Wash and raise you NYC’s Union Square.

    12:47AM – < ashman01> chicago is cold and smells weird, the chicks aren’t hot and they all wear parkas all the fucking time anyway

    12:47AM – < jfhenry> @Tom I guess. WB asked me to write up two different press releases, one for if we get picked up and one if we didn’t. I’ve written neither.

    12:47AM – < ashman01> plus, no good sushi

    12:48AM – < thecrusader> Shirley Manson had said that she was an unemployed actress. People wondered what that meant

    12:48AM – < ashman01> my apologies if you’re from chicago and you happen to be hot.

    12:48AM – < timt2318> you’re crazy, Ashman. you’re on the wrong side of town.

    12:48AM – < jfhenry> I’m not writing a press release until I know what’s going on and how I feel about what’s going on.

    12:49AM – On spoilers, Monday, and internet personalities.

    12:49AM – < jfhenry> @tehcrusader you know more than I do. I’m going to brunch with my family and then to the laker game.

    12:49AM – < ashman01> oh and for the record? speaking of leaks? — —– can smurf my smurf.

    12:50AM – < RoxyB> on the count of 3 everyone send a psychic message to Kevin Reilly to renew TSCC

    12:50AM – < RoxyB> ready?

    12:50AM – < RoxyB> 1

    12:50AM – < RoxyB> 2

    12:50AM – < RoxyB> 3

    12:50AM – < usagiko> @ashman: What about Ausiello?

    12:50AM – < ashman01> shit there’s gonna be a transcript.

    12:50AM – < apologeticDan> @ash I want Perez to referee your death match

    12:50AM – < ashman01> ausiello is just doing his job. you know, something he gets paid to do by a real media outlet.

    12:51AM – < ashman01> he actually has said some nice things about us. but he seems to be obsessed with our demise.

    12:52AM – < apologeticDan> The only thing I found out about Ausiello at the TCA press tour last year is that he doesn’t like to be touched. (Let’s see if that one gets picked up somewhere…)

    12:53 – And the topic of fanfic comes up. Joy. It’s like discussing the Bible with God. Or something.

    12:53AM – < ashman01> I personally avoid fanfic like the plague. Although I’ve met some fans who went on to become pros.

    12:54AM – < jfhenry> I’ve never read fanfic. NEVER.

    12:54AM – < nlynn> @ashman Any examples?

    12:54AM – < schmacky> i think what i love about the wiki the most is how everyone is an expert on what would make this show THE BEST..

    12:54AM –< apologeticDan> I used to write Trek fanfic when I was a teenager. :)

    12:54AM – < cinebo> @JFHENRY some of the fanfic…yeah…interesting stuff lol

    12:54AM – <aelysian> Is love really the right word there, Schmacky?

    12:55AM – < RoxyB> Did anyone ever read a fanfic at fanfiction.net called “— —- ——-”? WORST FANFIC EVER

    12:55AM – < ashman01> fuck, you guys found my short story “— —- — ——–”???

    12:55AM – < Raingin> LOL @ ashman

    12:55AM – < cinebo> LOL

    12:56AM – < persia> :D

    12:56AM – On fan theories, original fiction and shipping.

    12:56AM – < jfhenry> My favorite fan theory is about how I hate Cameron/Summer and deliberately shsut her out of the middle of th season.

    12:56AM – < ashman01> “Who are you?” “I’m here to optimize your climate control.” “But I don’t have climate control.” “I know.”

    12:56AM – < ashman01> BOW CHIKA BOW BOW

    12:56AM – < schmacky> @josh.. OH MY GOD! that’s when i went crazy in there. literally. all that crap drove me NUTS

    12:56AM – <~aelysian> Psh. No one can hate Cameron/Summer.

    12:56AM – < ashman01> thats an excerpt from my damn story

    12:56AM – < timt2318> it’s unique

    12:57AM – < timt2318> i’m definitiely not going to read that, ashman…

    12:57AM – < timepassedyouby> I thought the story was that you lost her phone number, Josh? :P

    12:57AM – < RoxyB> @aesylian – you do realized you just shipped summer with teh character she plays, right?

    12:57AM – < RoxyB> LOL

    12:57AM – < schmacky> LOL

    12:57AM – <aelysian> …let’s not get into my ships, shall we?

    12:57AM – <astropixie> Good to know I’m not the only person who noticed that and is completely warped by the internet

    12:58AM – < RoxyB> I’m shipping John/Catherine for season 3

    12:58AM – < jfhenry> Well it is a logical theory. I tried to work with her for five years, wrote the part for her, cast her…hmm. I must hate her.

    12:58AM – < ashman01> summer/cameron slash fiction

    12:58AM – < Tom> When is the announcement on Monday?

    12:58AM – < ggmarie1234> we think 1-3 california time, tom

    12:58AM – < ashman01> like that trek short story about kirk and spock beaming onto the set of star trek

    12:58AM – < ashman01> it’s awesome — i think James Blish wrote it

    12:59AM – < LucasZenHannon> This conversation took a turn into hell.

    12:59AM – < cinebo> @ASHMAN where is THAT story cuz that sounds interesting lol

    12:59AM – < phikappa> Good night. JH, Ash. I’m rooting for you. Ash’s baby needs a 3rd season. The fans need a third season. And JH needs to get his story told

    12:59AM – < apologeticDan> it’s kind of the logical extension of the cameron/allison slash that John was going to write in season three

    1:00AM – < schmacky> it’s funny.. my sister walked outta Star Trek thinkin Kirk and Spock had some chemistry… i thought she was crazy, but maybe she was onto something..

    1:00AM – < ashman01> i’ll tell you what my plan is

    1:00AM – < ashman01> BFM. Big martini.

    1:00AM – < apologeticDan> @schmacky… dude… the ONLY two other male characters in genre who have more chemistry than Kirk and Spock are Clark and Lex

    1:02AM – On Master Plans

    1:02AM – < ggmarie1234> so josh are you going to tell us your plan or was that a tease?!

    1:02AM – < jfhenry> I was never going to tell you my plan.

    1:02AM – < RoxyB> what plan? WHAT PLAN?!

    1:03AM – < thecrusader> Yeah what plan?

    1:03AM – <~astropixie> He’s a cylon, of course he has a plan.

    1:02AM – 1:07AM – On the Finale, Thomas Dekker, and pancakes

    1:07AM – < jfhenry> the three people most responsible for the finale are in this chatroom. if dan is stillhere.

    1:07AM – < ggmarie1234> in the john/cameron scene when he started digging around inside her chest…did john say it was “gold” or “cold”?

    1:08AM – < apologeticDan> @Josh… still here, multitasking on Twitter

    1:08AM – < jfhenry> cold

    1:08AM – < apologeticDan> Well the thing is I’m a very creative guy so I came up with “@danielthomsen”

    1:09AM – < RoxyB> @castellan – the ickiness was in the similarity to the pilot scene when Sarah’s sitting on John’s bed

    1:09AM – < schmacky> the first time i watched the cam/john scene i was like “wtf?” and the second time it just made me giggle

    1:10AM – < jfhenry> roxyB I had actually writtenthe wakeup part of that scene a word or two different and Thomas asked if he could change it to be like the pilot scene. smart thomas.\

    1:10AM – < Tom> Jose you let your actors change dialogue?!?! WTF?! jk

    1:11AM – < jfhenry> @Tom actually, I don’t. But I was on the set and he asked nicely.

    1:11AM – <~astropixie> For someone who is regularly attacked by guyliner, yeah, Thomas seems pretty smart.

    1:12AM – < jfhenry> Thomas is extremely smart. And the best student of the franchise.

    1:12AM – < persia> @ASHMAN01 is there a reason for all the pancake making?? Did you guys routinely miss breakfast?

    1:13AM – < ashman01> you have no idea the pancake scene that did NOT make it into the show

    1:13AM – < jfhenry> Pancaking+the beautiful monotony of parents/providing for your kids.

    1:13AM – < RebelFraggle> @ashman NOW you HAVE to tell us

    1:14AM – < apologeticDan>Can we all agree that Thomas’s most amazing work was in Star Trek: Generations? That’s actually what I complimented him on when I first met him.

    1:14AM – < apologeticDan> “Come to dinner, pa pa.”

    1:14AM – < ashman01> wtf was thomas in generations?

    1:14AM – < apologeticDan> @Ash — DUDE, he played Picard’s hallucinated son!

    1:14AM – < timt2318> actually, pancakes were my favorite food… then ashman ruined it for me

    1:15AM – < antar> @dan: seriously? dont remember him

    1:15AM – < apologeticDan> @antar: Yup. I imdb’d him when I got hired on the show and saw that credit and it all came rushing back to me. I’ve actually seen Generations more times than I should admit.

    1:16AM – On former FBI Agent James Ellison

    1:16AM – < schmacky> Ellison love was lost sometime during S2

    1:16AM – <aelysian> Schmacky – when he got dumb?

    1:16AM – < schmacky> aelysian@ yeah about that time

    1:17AM – < ashman01> as it turns out, ellison was the smartest guy on the show. but that’s a whole other discussion.

    1:17AM – < schmacky> @ash.. was he really? or was it simply by accident? lol

    1:17AM – < cinebo> @ASHMAN see thats why we need season 3 lol..to explore that discussion ; )

    1:17AM – < jfhenry> They key to not spilling secrets is not telling anybody

    1:18AM – <~astropixie> The main thing I grew to dislike about Ellison was how mean he was to John Henry. John Henry, my new favourite character of all time. Garret Dillahunt is amazing.

    1:18AM – < ashman01> nothing to share. pretty self-evident.

    1:18AM – < ashman01> but I leave that to you.

    1:19AM – < apologeticDan> Ellison is a very relaxed man. I’m on board with the way he carries himself through freaky, freaky times.

    1:19AM – On Garret Dillahunt being everywhere, Optimism, and FOX

    1:19AM – < Raingin> Garret is in the 4400 too, apparently. XD

    1:19AM – < LucasZenHannon> Whenever I see him I yell “BeastWizard”

    1:19AM – < LucasZenHannon> Is that wrong?

    1:20AM – < ashman01> garrett was amazing on Life. He’s amazing whatever he does,

    1:20AM – < apologeticDan> Oh speaking of 4400 — Ash, did you know that Ira is running “Crash” on Starz now???

    1:20AM – < ashman01> he could be amazing on prison break

    1:20AM – < ashman01> yeah dan.

    1:20AM – < RebelFraggle> They are making a TV movie for Prison Break now

    1:20AM – < apologeticDan> Doug auditioned for him yesterday.

    1:20AM – < apologeticDan> He was being very Ira

    1:21AM – < RoxyB> I vote for a TV movie if we don’t get a 3rd season

    1:21AM – < jfhenry> there willbe no tv movie. no cw. no SyFy. It’s either a third season on Fox or we all curl up with or DVDs and move on.

    1:22AM – < ashman01> I will curl up with my blu-rays.

    1:22AM – <~astropixie> Way to quash dreams and make babies cry, Josh.

    1:23AM – < persia> @ASHMAN01 has a baby to support we have to get a 3rd season!

    1:23AM – < jfhenry> I just want to be as real as I can. I love that you guys are so optimistic and passionate and I don’t want you in more torture than you have to be.

    1:23AM – < usagiko> in the words of Dekker, Daddy’s got bills to pay.

    1:23AM – < ashman01> my baby will be fine. I have a number of top secret things happening that should keep him in Gerber’s for a while.

    1:23AM – < Tom> Josh, when was the last time you spoke to anybody from Fox?

    1:25AM – < jfhenry> @Tom: I can’t remember. Maybe a month.

    1:25AM – < kevinj> @Josh and Ash do you guys want a full season or 13 episode pickup?

    1:25AM – < Tom> UGH – did this happen last year just like this Josh?

    1:26AM – < jfhenry> Full season. Although in general I think 22 eps at a network pace is too much/too fast.

    1:26AM – < apologeticDan> Agreed.

    1:26AM -< morricone> I heard that networks are not really signing for full seasons anymore

    1:26AM –< jfhenry> @Tom: Fox didn’t give us a pick up until the last possible minute the first year. And that held true between front thirteen and back nine.

    1:27AM – < kevinj> @josh Ash Dan maybe they’ll give you a full season with a January start like Lost

    1:27AM – < apologeticDan> @morricone I think it’s more situational… certain genres of shows are fine for 22, like CSI or 90210.

    1:27AM – < ashman01> honestly I think 13 is a much better number for a TV season

    1:28AM – < LucasZenHannon> Ash/Josh… if you DO get picked up for a third season, would you write it as if it were the end of the series, just in case?

    1:28AM – < jfhenry> @Lucas Didn’t we just do that?

    1:28AM – < persia> I loved Alpine Fields as a stand alone

    1:28AM – < ashman01> lucas, I would write whatever the fuck josh tells me to write.

    1:28AM – < apologeticDan> Alpine Fields love!!

    1:29AM – < timt2318> josh, ashman, dan, how much influence did fox have in season 2? i know they were behind the riley thing but what else?

    1:29AM – < ashman01> yes, the most hilarious part of Alpine Fields was the pile of dead babies. Good times.

    1:30AM – < jfhenry> @timt:S2 was ours. Fox did want more standalone, hence the bloody wall. But we shook loose of that after a bit.

    1:31AM – On DVD Commentary, the winning qualities of James Middleton and Brian Austin Green

    1:31AM – < morricone> Josh, Ash can you tell us anything about the season 2 dvd, like will there be commentary tracks etc?

    1:31AM – < Sadguylol> JOSH is in here ? whats his name ?

    1:31AM – < ashman01> his name is Josh

    1:32AM – < ashman01> duh

    1:32AM – < jonh611> I really hope Fox doesn’t fuck up my Monday, and everyone else’s Monday

    1:32AM – < jfhenry> great stuff on s2 dvd. commentaries, lots of special docs. they spent a day filming us in the writers room. good stuff.

    1:33AM – < cinebo> @JOSH awesome!

    1:33AM – < RoxyB> ya – love comentary

    1:33AM – < morricone> wohoo great

    1:33AM – < kevinj> @Josh Ash Dan how have the season 2 preorders been?

    1:33AM – < jfhenry> @kevinj Don’t know.

    1:34AM – < guest_216> I love that FBI scene with the Johnny Cash song it was EPIC

    1:35AM – < Snarf> The Man Comes Around

    1:35AM – < jfhenry> The JOhnny Cash thing will probably go down as my favorite thing. Mostly my favorite because the studio didn’t want us to use the song. I was on strike so I couldn’t argue for it but james Middleton stuck his foot in the ground and made sure it happend.

    1:35AM – < kevinj> @Josh Ash Dan #14 and #20 on amazon for Season 2 DVDs

    1:36AM – < airofina> Any chance Allison from Palmdale is one of the episodes that has a commentary?

    1:36AM – < ashman01> and if you’ve ever seen james middleton, you’d realize he has freakishly small feet. So this was quite an accomplishment.

    1:36AM – < jfhenry> Al from the P is a commentary ep.

    1:37AM – < apologeticDan> Small feet/Big Heart: The James Middleton Story

    1:37AM – < schmacky> @josh.. mind tellin us what other eps have commentary?

    1:37AM – < jfhenry> Samson and Delilah, Adam Raised a Cain, Born to Run

    1:38AM – < apologeticDan> No Ferguson commentary. :-/

    1:38AM – < scarlett> I love how TSCC made B.A.G into a total bad ass

    1:38AM – < ashman01> so does BAG

    1:38AM – < thecrusader> Was it hard to cast a new actor for Kyle Reese?

    1:39AM – < jfhenry> BAG is a badass.

    1:39AM – < apologeticDan> BAG has twitter?

    1:39AM – < jfhenry> It was the last thing we did creatively before we went on strike. Were you in casting Ash or was it Zack? it was literally the last freaking second.

    1:39AM – < twistdmentality> BAG said in a podcast that he’s keeping far away from twitter

    1:40AM – < apologeticDan> Yeah, seems unlikely that he’d twitter.

    1:40AM – < jfhenry> @starkiller I offered to do commentaries on every ep on s! but they wouldn’t let me. They told me no one cares about them.

    1:41AM – < apologeticDan> All I remember about right before the strike was we were in the middle of Vick’s Chip, Josh gave that speech, I shook Miller Tobins’ hand and took a picture of my office then, you know, left.

    1:41AM – < CJ> Josh you should do them as a podcast like Ron Moore did for BSG

    1:41AM – < jfhenry> @CJ I was going to but they discouraged me.

    1:41AM – < scarlett> I love commentaries but people think I am crazy

    1:42AM – < jfhenry> The hardest thing about filming BTR was knowing the last day was the HK crash and praying we didn’t fuck it up. Also, it was a very emotional time for the actors and everyone and people were a little on edge. But on top of their game.

    1:43AM – < thecrusader> Why was it an emotional time?

    1:43AM – < jfhenry> cuz it was the last ep of season.

    1:43AM – < ashman01> forgive me, I’m tanking an Ulduar raid while I do this.

    1:45AM – On Derek and Jesse, C-Sections and Australian Accents

    1:45AM – < timt2318> so, did derek kill jesse or is that left up to the viewer to decide

    1:45AM – < jfhenry> @tint that is up to you my friend.

    1:46AM – < ashman01> I think we ended on an ambiguous note for a reason.

    1:47AM – <~aelysian> Ambiguous is definitely a word for it. One of many.

    1:47AM – < schmacky> yeah.. so the debate can live on forever. weeee

    1:47AM – < RebelFraggle> @ashman I love that you left that up to the viewer

    1:47AM – < ashman01> you tell us if jesse’s dead. only derek reese knows for sure.

    1:47AM – <~astropixie> To the shock and mutters of therapy from my parents, I sprang up from the couch and shouted, “I have to go online and post on my livejournal!” after Born to Run

    1:48AM – < apologeticDan> @astro My parents used to read over my shoulder because they were so paranoid about the strange “science fiction” stuff I was into. I was a bad kid.

    1:48AM – < persia> Wait did SC give herself a c-section? we had a long discussion @JF

    1:48AM – < ashman01> and THIS is why josh is wise not to want to tell you things that aren’t on screen. you’d have no fun at all.

    1:48AM – < timt2318> how bad were you apologeticdan?

    1:49AM – < morricone> @ash that’s true but we just _can’t_ stop asking

    1:49AM – < jfhenry> i’m not going to answer story details. at least no the ones I don’t want to.

    1:49AM – < apologeticDan> @timt Well I could show you the binder of starships I designed for the Trek RPG I used to be a member of..

    1:51AM – < starkiller> we had a long discussion here about the c section in the jungle

    1:51AM – < LucasZenHannon> Did anyone else notice Jesse’s American accent when she met with Sarah?

    1:51AM – < thecrusader> Yep

    1:51AM – < usagiko> yes

    1:51AM – < jfhenry> that’s funny cuz we didn’t

    1:51AM – < LucasZenHannon> Really? I thought it was on purpose, Josh.

    1:51AM – < apologeticDan> She’s doing an American accent on Melrose Place this year.

    1:52AM – < jfhenry> I was referring to the c sectioin not the accent. the accent was on purpose. as was the c section.

    1:52AM – On strange ideas

    1:52AM � < RoxyB> so…. is there a secret Connor daughter?

    1:52AM – < ashman01> THERE ARE NO SECRET FUCKING SIBLINGS.

    1:53AM – < ashman01> josh of course may disagree

    1:53AM – < jfhenry> Amen brother.

    1:53AM – < jfhenry> to both.

    1:53AM – < persia> Was Derek ever thought to be a love intrest for SC @JF?

    1:53AM – < ggmarie1234> you mean, no *more* secret fucking siblings?

    1:53AM – < jfhenry> @JF No to the love interest. icky.

    1:53AM – < steel1x1> @jfhernry Did John and Riley make whoopie in Episode 10 of Season 2?

    1:54AM – < ashman01> brb gotta pwn Hodir AND grab a fresh martini.

    1:55AM – < GKnee77> what if allison and kyle are together in the future? where does that leave john, that’s what i wanna know

    1:55AM – < jfhenry> see, there’s my need to clarify things I like to be clear, and my need not to clarify things I don’t want clear. atough line.

    1:55AM – < antar> well, that’s what season 3 is for…

    1:55AM – < schmacky> uuuuuuuuuugh@ kyle and allison being together. No no no no no.

    1:55AM – < persia> Wait was that answer about Riley and John?

    1:55AM – <~astropixie> Sometimes fandom makes me want to stab my eyes out with a spork.

    1:56AM – < jfhenry> @persia: no. and no, they didn’thave sex.

    1:56AM – < steel1x1> @jfherny Thank you for clearing that up.

    2:01AM – Speculation and Deadlines

    2:01AM – < jfhenry> I think everybody has a right to speculate S3 and until it’s bro9adcast on fox then anything’s fair game. I do think there’s been some loony shit written about s2.

    2:03AM – < nlynn> How long does it take you guys to write an episode?

    2:03AM – < RebelFraggle> I just want to keep Derek! BEST UNCLE EVER! That park scene where he showed John his father as a child. I cried for an hour

    2:03AM – < ashman01> nothing fans say surprises me

    2:03AM – <~astropixie> Yeah, how long does it take to write an ep?

    2:03AM – < ashman01> when i started on andromeda, I used to drop into fan chat rooms all the damn time.

    2:03AM – < ashman01> people said shit that would curl your hair

    2:03AM – < ashman01> it would curl your curly hairs

    2:03AM – < apologeticDan> @nlynn We usually spend a week in the writers’ room firming up the story, then when the script gets assigned to a writer, he/she usually has about 7 days ot do it

    2:03AM – < jfhenry> @nlynn: maybe a week and change to break it (outline it) and two weeks to write it. Sometimes a lot less if we’re crunchyed.

    2:04AM – < apologeticDan> two weeks??

    2:04AM – < jfhenry> ish.

    2:04AM – < nlynn> Thanks. Do you go through a lot of revisions or are you guys pretty much in sync at this point?

    2:04AM – < ashman01> 7 days? you pussies.

    2:04AM – <jfhenry> I was talking about toni

    2:05AM – < apologeticDan> haaa

    2:05AM – < apologeticDan> nice

    2:05AM – < cinebo> k this is THE best night ever

    2:05AM – < talli> Dan is wondering why everyone else gets two weeks and not him…

    2:05AM – < jfhenry> WE broke the finale in four days, then ash dan and I re-broke it in four hours over sushi, and then I wrote it in four days

    2:05AM – < apologeticDan> Seriously. This realization could impact my answer to the “How’s Josh as a boss?” question.

    2:06AM – < ashman01> that was a ton of fun btw

    2:06AM – < ashman01> my wife was PISSED

    2:06AM – < ashman01> mainly because i forgot to call and tell her I was gonna be… very late

    2:06AM – < nlynn> At least there was sushi.

    2:06AM – < jfhenry> I was guessing, Dan. I never paid attention. No one ever gave me two weeks.

    2:07AM – < apologeticDan> Well honestly the other issue with most writers is, even if you do get two weeks, what percentage of that time is spent screwing around?

    2:07AM – < ashman01> best story beat on the board ever: “cameron john travoltas through prison”

    2:07AM – < jfhenry> we were paranoid about all the eps, but especially last two.

    2:08AM – < cinebo> Cameron shots up the prison to “stayin alive” lol

    2:08AM – < talli> @Dan Ash tends to refer to it as f*cking around…but screwing works

    2:08AM – < jfhenry> the bag death we were worried would get out. as well as hk crash. lots of fightws with fox marketing re revealing shirley was metal

    2:09AM – < apologeticDan> @talli Yeah I’d typically default to that terminology as well, but I’m in apologetic mode for earlier linguistic transgressions.

    2:09AM – < Thecolours> @ Josh Fox did leak that poster of the T-1001 before the premiere.

    2:09AM – < jfhenry> @coloours and I was screaming at people on the phone

    2:14AM – On American Idol

    2:14AM – < timt2318> i find it even harder to belive that 30M people watch a freaking singing competition weekly!

    2:14AM – < jfhenry> Go Adam Lambert!

    2:16AM – On L’Amour and Conventions

    2:16AM – < kevinj> @Josh Ash Dan what did you think about the midseason break?

    2:16AM – < jfhenry> Yeah, romance. As I say to the writers in the room, when I get laid, the characters’ll get laid.

    2:16AM – < CIsaac> Josh and Ash, you guys make a great, great show. I love it. Thank you for all the time you’ve given us.

    2:16AM – < apologeticDan> @kevinj Most of the time those things are a production necessity with a 22 ep season

    2:16AM – < schmacky> @josh… do we need to write letters to your wife then or something?

    2:17AM – < ashman01> josh, uh… derek did get laid

    2:17AM – < ashman01> quite a bit it seems like

    2:17AM – < cinebo> LOL

    2:17AM – < jfhenry> huh.

    2:17AM – < RebelFraggle> But he is DEREK

    2:17AM – < schmacky> @ash… i think that’s all Derek did in S2 :P

    2:17AM – < apologeticDan> @nlynn I’m too low on the totem pole to get invited to cons, but someday when I create my own quirky show for the Starz network…

    2:17AM – < ashman01> as natalie chaidez wisely observed: “a man’s gotta fuck”

    2:18AM – < ashman01> that was the original title for “today is the day”. true story

    2:19AM – < jfhenry> someone on sarah connor society figured out an entire episode before it aired. can’t remember which one…

    2:19AM – < ashman01> I go to cons all the time. natalie wasn’t kidding in her blog. I asked for comic-con as a religious holiday

    2:19AM – < CIsaac> @jfhenry — It was RoxyB

    2:19AM – < ashman01> dan thomsen will tell you it was time well spent this year

    2:19AM – < jfhenry> right. that was it.

    2:20AM – < jfhenry> that’s why i hate spoilers

    2:20AM – < apologeticDan> Oh yeah, if any of you run into Ash at ComicCon… DO NOT LET HIM OUT OF YOUR SIGHT. You will have the most recklessly entertaining times ever.

    2:20AM – < ashman01> what with being pressed into service as an impromptu porn director at the wrath of con party

    2:20AM – < apologeticDan> Ash snuck me into that party, btw

    2:20AM – < CIsaac> @schmacky — Roxy’s our little savant. Action Figures to Drama plots, she does everything.

    2:20AM – < jfhenry> roxy wrote the anti-jameron rant, didn’t she?

    2:21AM – < RoxyB> heh – yeah that was me

    2:21AM – < jfhenry> someone sent that to me. that was genius. really. possibly my favorite thing written about the show.

    2:21AM – < schmacky> @josh.. i gotta ask and you probably won’t answer but… are you a Jameron? Really? lol

    2:22AM – <~astropixie> Just what is wrong with Jameron, huh? (Not that we even like to call it that…)

    2:22AM – < ashman01> roxy you do the action figures thing?

    2:23AM – < jfhenry> @schmacky: weirdly, I think I am. I say weirdly only because people ripped me up and down all year for ignoring the whole thing. But I think if you look at he eps I wrote they’re very jameron-y. I just think sometimes the show takes you in places you’re not expecting and you go there.

    2:23AM – < timt2318> hey, josh, ashman, dan – can you spill the beans about the Jordan storyline from season 1

    2:23AM – < ashman01> WHO?

    2:23AM – < schmacky> @josh lol oh no, you just went down a notch in my book… jk :P sorta..kinda.. hehe but i give ya props nonetheless

    2:24AM – < castellan_craft> @Ash, jordan was the girl that flung herself off the roof

    2:24AM – < cinebo> the one Cameron tried to give the tight present to =D

    2:24AM – < apologeticDan> Morris asked Jordan to the prom before he asked Cameron.

    2:24AM – < ashman01> oh yeah. her arc was more or less ballistic from the roof to the concrete

    2:24AM – < cinebo> i liked Morris

    2:24AM – < ashman01> any other questions?

    2:24AM – < persia> That kid was so cute. “just say yes”

    2:24AM – < ashman01> YOU SEE, FRIEDMAN? PEOPLE LIKE MORRIS

    2:25AM – < jfhenry> When David Nutter read the pilot script and he and I had dinner to decide if he was right for the show he pitched the whole thing as romeo and juliet.

    2:25AM – < Thecolours> Morris would have been cool if he was a gray.

    2:26AM – < apologeticDan> I can’t remember how much of Morris’s monologue about the scar he got stage diving at a Bjork concert made it to the airwaves, but I loved writing that.

    [insert two minutes of everyone comparing how late it is where they are.]

    2:28AM – < jfhenry> I believe that all of s2 comes out of John’s embarassment over realizing in ep1 that he might love Cameron

    2:28AM – < schmacky> I have a question… @josh @ash @dan… who’s your favorite character?

    2:29AM – <~astropixie> That is an excellent belief, Josh. Aelysian and I are going to die of shippy excitement now.

    2:29AM – < heroeswench> wow that is cool knowledge and shades things differently Josh

    2:29AM – < steel1x1> @jfhenry Well is josh said it.Its cannon.

    2:29AM – < ashman01> to be a ship, it has to run both ways

    2:30AM – <~astropixie> Oh. We can make it run both ways.

    2:30AM – < RebelFraggle> @Johs @ASh was the use of water a conscious metaphor or something that just sort of happened over time? Or am I reading too much into it?

    2:30AM – < apologeticDan> My favorite character was/is John. I’ve always identified the most with him and always been most inspired to think of creative ways to F up his life.

    2:30AM – < ashman01> use of water where?

    2:30AM – < kevinj> @Josh Dan Ash was Cameron serious about the whole “I love you” thing?

    2:30AM – <~astropixie> Lol Dan.

    2:30AM – < jfhenry> @kevinj that’s one I’ll never answer.

    2:31AM – < timt2318> that’s what makes him real apologeticdan – just a regular guy who want to do regular things

    2:31AM – < apologeticDan> Cromartie crashing John’s first date is kinda along those lines.

    2:31AM – < Thecolours> @ Josh,Dan, Ash. What was up with the baby moninter in Complications? Was there a hidden message being played?

    2:31AM – < Belial69699> @talli, so far from what Ive read Derek comes off as.. soft? I guess is the word. In the show hes a lil more of a hard @ss imo. Might want to give him a slight adjustment in attitude. but thats my opinion. I still think ur doing great =)

    2:32AM – < jfhenry> @the colours: w/o being coy I’d have to say that it is specific and for the life of me i can’t remember what it is.

    2:32AM – < ashman01> bella… he shot his best friend in the head and may have offed the mother of his child. exactly how hard would you like this man to be?

    2:32AM – < cinebo> OOOH can u tell us why Cameron’s eye was red in the finale but BLUE otherwise? =D

    2:32AM – < CIsaac> @Josh Ash Dan — random question, in episode 2×21 when the Kaliba guys zap Cameron with electricity + water, how’s she able to reboot quicker than the 120 second timer? Is that something that can be answered?

    2:33AM – < ashman01> oh yeah

    2:33AM – < talli> @Belia I haven’t really done anything with Derek (soft or hard–dirty?) I will soon though. Although I do think this Derek is different anyway, which is why I’ve avoided writing for him

    2:33AM – < ashman01> he one-armed a fucking 50 cal sniper rifle.

    2:34AM – < nlynn> @josh, Ash, Dan: In the basement, did Cameron torture Derek into giving up the resistance location?

    2:34AM – < jfhenry> no basement talk.

    2:34AM – < RebelFraggle> @ ASh Crap, I read too much into it, didn’t I? I just felt that water was very present from the FBI agents falling into the water at the end of season 1, and Cromartie chasing John off the dock, and the water men at the end of season 2. I just kept thinking that there was an underlying metaphor there, probably to do with the origin of life.

    2:34AM – < talli> @ash Bellia was referring to my Derek, not the show’s Derek

    2:35AM – < LucasZenHannon> Word. One issue, though: When you guys shoot scenes in the future, why do you have the actors act like the rifles have kickback? Aren’t they laser rifles?

    2:35AM – < cinebo> @JOSH @ASH can u say hwy Cameron’s eye was red instead of blue or is it a secret for later if there is a later?

    2:36AM – < jfhenry> cinebo: it’s red because at the core, she’s a terminator. plain and simple.

    2:36AM – < apologeticDan> I think plasma would have a little bit of kickback. It has mass. But I dunno.

    2:36AM – < RoxyB> Ah, so Cameron’s blue eye color was indicative of having been reprogrammed?

    2:37AM – < RoxyB> but then red when she was messed up?

    2:37AM – < schmacky> @Roxy… it was blue because Cameron likes that color. Her leather jacket shoulda been blue

    2:37AM – < castellan_craft> Maybe there was a filter in her eye between the red eye and the cornea?

    2:37AM – < morricone> RoxyB, maybe it’s red because of licensing issues with the T model from T3

    2:37AM – < jfhenry> the lens itself is red. there’d never be a reason to change the lens color.

    2:38AM – < ashman01> also

    2:38AM – < ashman01> red is awesome

    2:38AM – < ashman01> it flashed blue in season one.

    2:38AM – < jfhenry> I made it blue in the pilot to indicate she was different but that wasn’t to suggest the hardware was blue. no reason for it.

    2:38AM – < ashman01> you did not see her naked eye in season one

    2:38AM – < Leetmouse> @ash you said boobs were awesome….

    2:38AM – < ashman01> boobies are awesome

    2:39AM – < LucasZenHannon> Oh, I have a question. Coltan is supposed to be extremely heavy, right? It’s been shown in the films (and I think the show as well) that Terminators are hard to lift. Why doesn’t Cameron break beds and chairs w/ her heavy ass?

    2:39AM – < ashman01> terminators weigh what we weigh

    2:40AM – < Belial69699> @Lucas thought it was supposed to be extremely dense? not heavy

    2:40AM – < ashman01> tantalum is actually very light, like titanium

    2:40AM – < schmacky> LUcas@ T3 was stupid for making Terms so heavy.. how could they ever drive the cars if they were that heavy??

    2:40AM – < ashman01> or just put a fucking scale outside of every resistance base

    2:40AM – <~astropixie> So they just suck at swimming, then?

    2:40AM – < talli> @ash Didn’t Josh once say Cam weighs about 30% than a human girl her size?

    2:40AM – < ashman01> “john does my ass look fat?”

    2:41AM – < jfhenry> terminators weight hte same as human counterparts

    2:41AM – < ashman01> ‘it doesn’t look fat but you weigh the same as a fucking rhinocerous.”

    2:42AM – < apologeticDan> Okay, I’m fighting a cold so I’m going to read in bed until the Advil Cold & Sinus knocks me out.

    2:42AM – < ashman01> night dan

    2:42AM – < persia> Bye

    2:42AM – < antar> bye

    2:42AM – < LucasZenHannon> Cya, dan.

    2:42AM – < airofina> bye Dan =)

    2:42AM – < Leetmouse> cya dan

    2:42AM – <~astropixie> Bye Dan! Thanks for stopping by! And sorry we kicked you off!

    2:42AM – < apologeticDan> Enjoy rest of the weekend, all!

    2:42AM – < twistdmentality> hast luego

    2:42AM – < castellan_craft> Seeeeeeeeeya

    2:42AM – < LordByronX> night

    2:42AM – < nlynn> Night!

    2:42AM – < talli> Bye Dan!

    2:43AM – < apologeticDan> No worries, astro. Sorry about the lame handle.

    2:43AM – Drinkie

    2:43AM – < Thecolours> @Josh, Dan, Ash. How much are you doing to drink Monday night if SCC gets renewed?

    2:43AM – < ashman01> more than you might imagine

    [insert three minutes of talk of drunkenness and disliking a certain television network.]

    2:46AM – < ashman01> there is ZERO chance I’m drunk dialing kevin reilly

    2:47AM – < Thecolours> @Josh what other names did you have in mind for SCC as a show title?

    2:47AM – < CIsaac> @ashman01 — C’mon! We’d pay good money to hear that!

    2:47AM – < cinebo> no lets all spam Ausiello’s inbox lol

    2:47AM – < ashman01> i think james middleton came up with the title but I could be wrong

    2:47AM – < jfhenry> @colours: I inherited the title. and i’ve never liked it.

    2:49AM – Dollhouse and other things

    2:49AM – < ashman01> i’m happy for dollhouse. I think we should support our fans, and joss is one of them

    2:49AM – < LucasZenHannon> Writers: If there is one thing you wish to accomplish, one message you want to relay with TSCC, what would it be?

    2:50AM – < ashman01> lucas: never trust a fucking robot.

    2:50AM – < LucasZenHannon> oh, snap.

    2:50AM – < CIsaac> @ashman01 — Dude, that’s awesome.

    2:51AM – <~astropixie> Okay. Noted. Not trusting robots. Except Wall-E.

    2:57AM – The chatroom grew in size again. With fifty conversations going on at once, here are snippets.

    2:57AM -< LucasZenHannon> AHA, Question for writers again: Which character do you most connect with? Why?

    2:57AM – < ashman01> derek. because like him, I lived through the apocalypse and traveled back in time to kill my best friend.

    2:57AM – < jfhenry> i like writing all of them. but the most pure writer fun is any of the terminators.

    2:58AM – < ashman01> and in my heart of hearts… I <3 Murch

    2:59AM – < jfhenry> i forget about murch. i love writing murch.

    2:59AM – < CIsaac> Thou Shalt Not Say LG’s Name.

    3:01AM – < Thecolours> @ Josh Are you going to work on new pilot if SCC is a no go?

    3:02AM – < jfhenry> @thecolours:yes. a new pilot. probably write a movie, too. definitely a pilot.

    3:04AM – < kevinj> @Josh Ash will your next show be a scifi show or something else

    3:05AM – < jfhenry> @kevinj I love writing sf and while we may be experiencing a weird little golden age with the various genre shows that are out, most of them fail and it’s a tough sell. My agent practically hangs up on me if I use the word spaceship.

    3:06AM – < kevinj> @Josh too bad, you’ve a mind for it

    3:06AM – < CIsaac> @Josh — Never give up! Never surrender!

    3:06AM – < Leetmouse> @josh I have a story about a boy and his termina….. oh wait

    3:06AM – < jfhenry> that’s not to say I won’t write one, it’s just challenging for broadcast.

    3:06AM – < RebelFraggle> @Josh your writing is awesome and we will follow you whatever you decide to create in the future

    3:06AM – < The_GodfatherSJP> Is it me or are all the shows becoming the same except for Sci-Fi? It’s kinda depressing

    3:06AM – < talli> I feel like Ash might’ve passed out on his keyboard…

    3:06AM – < jfhenry> well ash is probably drunk.

    3:07AM – < jfhenry> this is the genius of lost. no one knew it saw syfy for three years.

    3:07AM – < jfhenry> and by syfy i mean scifi

    3:08AM – On Television and Books

    3:08 AM – < ashman01> I AM FINE

    3:08 AM – < ashman01> i am so awake you cant believe it

    3:08 AM – < jfhenry> episodic and focused on romance. and also a very un-sci fi idea: survivor!

    3:09AM – < kevinj> @Josh Ash do you watch much TV? Have a favorite show other than TSCC?

    3:10AM – < jfhenry> The Wire, Deadwood, The Office, Rescue Me, S1 of Dexter

    3:10AM – < ashman01> I loved dexter season 1 and 2

    3:10AM – < ashman01> heroes season 1

    3:10AM – < ashman01> i have an on-off love affair with lost

    3:10AM – < timt2318> season 3 of dexter kicked *ss

    3:11AM – < ashman01> i think the first 3 seasons of BSG were amazing

    3:11AM – < ashman01> I’m a huge trek fan

    3:11AM – < CIsaac> @Josh @Ash — Are there any scifi novels that influenced you or made you enjoy the genre? Anything from Asimov to Scalzi or someone in between?

    3:11AM – < jfhenry> I made the writers read Ender’s Game before S1.

    3:12AM – < LucasZenHannon> Why Ender’s Game, though? Any thematic points you wanted to mirror in the show?

    3:12AM – < The_GodfatherSJP> don’t get made at me everyone, including you Josh and Ashley, but I think BSG was better than TSCC

    3:12AM – < guest_073> wait wait…why enders game? it was good , but why?:P

    3:12AM – < SADGUY> how are the DVR Ratings of TSCC Season 2 ?

    3:13AM – < ashman01> our dvr numbers are insane

    3:13AM – < jfhenry> Difficult choices a leader must make, sacrifices of the personal for the sake of the whole, blah blah blah.

    3:13AM – < R> yay. happy. thanks ash for the info

    3:13AM – <~astropixie> Yeah, Godfather, we must have been watching different shows. With BSG you grew to despise every single character. With SCC you love them. I’m sorry, that’s a big difference in quality.

    3:14AM – < ashman01> for the record: he didn’t make me or zack read ender’s game, as we had already read it.

    3:14AM – < kevinj> @Josh read any heilein?

    3:15AM – < jfhenry> haven’t read much heinlein. love neal stephenson, dan simmons’s hyperion, vernor vinge fire upon the deep

    3:16AM – < guest_073> jfhenry : The Forever War is pretty appropriate for the terminator series

    3:16AM – < jfhenry> Love forever war.

    3:16AM – < castellan_craft> Ever heard of Neil Gaiman Josh?

    3:17AM – < jfhenry> i follow neil on twitter

    3:17AM – < ashman01> I love heinlein

    3:17AM – < kevinj> @Josh I really want to read Dan Simmon’s Ilium, Love Neil Stephenson, need to read Vernor Vinge too many books…

    3:17AM – < ashman01> the moon is a harsh mistress is amazing

    3:17AM – < ashman01> it makes me cry

    3:18AM – < starkiller> someone was talking about the moon is a harsh mistress being made into a movie

    3:19AM – < CIsaac> There’s rumors about Heinlein’s stuff all the time. But we usually get a ‘Starship Troopers’ abortion.

    3:20AM – < starkiller> @Ash the cat who walked through wallls

    3:20AM – < ashman01> i think job and cat who… are good reads, but they aren’t his best works

    3:20AM – < ashman01> i also second josh’s emotion about hyperion

    3:20AM – < ashman01> along those lines, a case for conscience

    3:20AM – < kevinj> Hyperion, yet another book I need to read

    3:21AM – < ashman01> which i wanna say is james blish

    3:21AM – < timt2318> anyone read lee child?

    3:21AM – < kevinj> @Ash Josh did either of you read the Terminator books?

    3:21AM – < ashman01> newp

    3:21AM – < persia> I need to get up on Scifi books, all I’ve read is Brave New World

    3:21AM – <~astropixie> I just cannot get into Hyperion. Forty pages in and I don’t give a shit.

    3:21AM – < jfhenry> I’ve read three or four lee childs but not for a while.

    3:21AM – < jfhenry> don’t read terminator books

    3:22AM – < jfhenry> don’t think about timelines. you’ll never finish your script.

    3:22AM – < ashman01> I did

    3:22AM – < RebelFraggle> @ashman you are awesome

    3:22AM – < ashman01> shades of toni graphia

    3:23AM – < ashman01> there are few pleasures in life greater than explaining time travel to toni.

    3:24AM – < persia> Do you worry when reading books that you will steal an idea?

    3:24AM – < jfhenry> @persia I hope I do

    3:26AM – < RebelFraggle> @jfhenry will we ever find out what happened to Danny Dyson?

    3:26AM – < jfhenry> if we get a season three.

    3:27AM – < persia> Hey when people send stuff to actors is it thrown out or they actually get it?

    3:27AM – < jfhenry> I don’t know fi they get it.

    3:28AM – < RebelFraggle> @Josh besides Summer, was the casting process difficult for TSCC? Did the studio not like anybody?

    3:29AM – < jfhenry> Summer wasn’t difficult to cast. Thomas was the hardest. People were very uptight about that role. thomas auditioned about a thousand times. But he was the best in every round of auditions. Never a doubt for me.

    3:29AM – < cinebo> oh god Thomas was PERFECT hands down

    3:29AM – < equustel> so much love for Thomas as John.

    3:29AM – There is talk of the usefulness of dogs in a post-Judgment Day world. Which culminates in:

    3:30AM – < ashman01> gknee: who the fuck eats their terminator detector?

    3:30AM – < ashman01> I’ll eat YOU before I eat the damn dog.

    3:30AM – < persia> Do you make actors cry while auditioning?

    3:30AM – < jfhenry> do you mean do i make them cry on purpose

    3:30AM – < ashman01> no, we save making them cry for after they’re cast

    3:31AM – < jfhenry> well it was hard to cast sarah for those reasons but it wasn’t hard once we found lena. the studio and network loved her so once we saw her it was great. the other two hundred auditions were kinda of tedious.

    3:32AM – < LucasZenHannon> You what we need? Ash and Josh as terminators.

    3:32AM – < jfhenry> i didn’t care if she was skinny or buff, i was interested in inner strength. we hired lena angelina jolie’s trainer from tomb raider and he worked her out hard and she just got leaner. so be it.

    3:33AM – < ashman01> “fuck away. I’m gonna die tomorrow.” THAT dialogue is going in a script.

    3:34AM – < ashman01> I don’t think it will mean what you think it means.

    3:34AM – < hero77> @Josh – opinion on T4′s PG13 rating ?

    3:35AM – < jfhenry> don’t know much about t4, rating or otherwise. looks cool, though.

    3:35AM – < ashman01> not my question but… PG-13 terminator movie? WTF? I’ve already blasted James Middleton on this question

    3:36AM – < cinebo> yeah but isnt pg13 today what R USED to be?

    3:36AM – < LucasZenHannon> @ash, I saw a special in which the director was explaining he didn’t need all that violence and gore to tell a story

    3:37AM – < morded> @Josh, I was wondering if the show does get canceled are you and the rest of the writers going to try and fight to get it renewed somewhere else like another network, or Direct to DVD?

    3:37AM – < morded> The reason I ask is what’s the point of the fans fighting to keep the show going if it’s only the fans that are going to be fighting to keep it going and not anyone else.

    3:36AM – 3:38AM – For the sake of coherency…a conversation about boobies took place, concluded by:

    3:38AM – < ashman01> but really at the end of the day, i think we can all agree… boobies are awesome. I’m pretty sure that even my unborn son will give me a hell yeah on that one.

    3:39AM – < newspeak3> @josh and ash : just wanted to say thanks for doing this

    3:39AM – < jfhenry> @morded: the point is, everyone does what they can for the shows they love. you guys have done all you can, and we’ve done all we can. we try to write the shit out of our show and hope we make ourselves undeniably present and accounted for.

    3:39AM – < ashman01> you’re welcome.

    3:39AM – <~astropixie> I cannot believe Ash and Josh are still here with us, hours later. Thank you so much for dropping by.

    3:40AM – < RoxyB> Josh and Ash are awesome

    3:40AM – < equustel> @Josh, you have, and thank you for that.

    3:40AM – < cinebo> Ash and Josh you guys rock more than you’ll ever know sirs!!

    3:40AM – < stark74> writers: whose idea was that using ” Richard Steven hack ” ‘s name on the episode?

    3:40AM – <~aelysian> Thank you. Both. So much. This was fucking awesome and pretty much my cardio for the week.

    3:40AM – < airofina> yes, thank you Josh and Ash. you guys are so fucking awesome! =D

    3:40AM – < ashman01> that was zack

    3:40AM – < ashman01> and for the record, I had no idea what he was doing when he did it

    3:41AM – < ashman01> and had I known (or had Josh known, I suspect) it wouldn’t have happened.

    3:41AM – < CIsaac> @Josh — You definitely wrote the shit out of this show and no matter what, you guys should know we think you’re awesome and appreciate everything and getting all this time with your awesome writing and characters.

    3:41AM – < jfhenry> on that not people…I have to leave now. The wife and dog can’t sleep until I’ve taken at least one of them out into the yard. Please know that I appreciate everything y’all have done. No matter what happens be proud of yourselves. And don’t stop fighting for the shows you love. Good night.

    3:42AM – < cinebo> THANKS SO MUCH JOSH good night!!

    3:42AM – < jessicatron> night josh :)

    3:42AM – < LucasZenHannon> Daw.

    3:42AM – < twistdmentality> Thanks for stopping by. It’s much appreciated.

    3:42AM – < CIsaac> Good night, Josh!

    3:42AM – < stevenlu> good night, many thanks for the show ash and josh

    3:42AM – < ashman01> night boss.

    3:42AM – < LucasZenHannon> *cries*

    3:42AM – < SADGUY> good night josh, thanks

    3:42AM – < castellan_craft> Good night. :D

    3:42AM – < morricone> gn8

    3:42AM – < talli> @Josh good night and thanks!

    3:42AM – < persia> Thank you for your time

    3:42AM – <~aelysian> Much love. Thanks!

    3:42AM – < timt2318> thanks for stopping by josh

    3:42AM – < RoxyB> good night!

    3:42AM – < rjmatz> night josh, thanks much

    3:42AM – < airofina> bye Josh, thank you SO MUCH for stopping by =D

    3:42AM – < equustel> ‘Night, Josh! THANK YOU.

    3:42AM – < LucasZenHannon> Goodnight, sweet prince.

    3:42AM – < Belial69699> Take care Josh

    3:42AM – < kevinj> Thanks Josh and goodnight!

    3:42AM – This trend of goodnights and thank yous continues.

    3:43AM – On That Dude From That Place That We Don’t Like

    3:43AM – < ashman01> so on the richard hack thing… fun that he ended up dead, but I personally make it a rule to only name characters after people I like

    3:43AM –< ashman01> you get so few opportunities, why waste them on people you don’t want to immortalize?

    3:44AM – < ashman01> fun trivia fact

    3:44AM –< ashman01> the picture associated with richard hack… was me.

    3:44AM -< timt2318> so, what’s the deal with this richard hack dude? psycho? i googled him and am going through the results

    3:45AM – < CIsaac> @Ash – That’s really, really unfortunate.

    3:45AM – < ashman01> on the monitor. three photos pop up. the first is me

    3:45AM – < talli> @timt He’s a “fan” who hates the show

    3:47AM – Username Mangling. It happens to all of us.

    3:47AM – < JH> we loves the ass man

    3:47AM – < persia> @ASHMAN are you going to Comic Con as a fan?

    3:47AM – < persia> or for TSCC?

    3:47AM – < ashman01> the uh… ass man?

    3:47AM – < timt2318> what made you josh and dan decide to stop in on the chat?

    3:48AM – < ashman01> persia i go every year

    3:48AM – < kevinj> @ Ash will you be writing for any other shows in the near future or are you exclusively TSCC

    3:48AM – < timt2318> now ashman is the ass man, new profession. he’ll like proctology

    3:48AM – < ashman01> kevin that is a complicated question. I will answer it on monday.

    3:48AM – < ashman01> but

    3:48AM – < cinebo> ass man?? what i miss?

    3:48AM – < ashman01> I will say that zack and I are working on a movie/backdoor pilot for cartoon network

    3:49AM – < ashman01> and we’re writing a very major motion picture that I can’t talk about.

    3:49AM -< kevinj> @Ash really? I will be looking for it

    3:49AM –< ashman01> very, very major

    3:49AM -< hero77> green lantern

    3:49AM – < ashman01> nope

    3:49AM – < hero77> with bag

    3:49AM – < ashman01> I would love to write GL for BAG, but that’s not happening atm

    3:49AM – < Another_french_fan> Don’t forget we love TSCC and Terminator around here

    3:50AM – < Zable> Uhm, what’s a backdoor pilot?

    3:50AM – < ashman01> hi french fan, thanks for dropping in

    3:50AM – < ashman01> its basically a TV movie and if it does well they’ll order a series

    3:50AM – < ashman01> it’s the kind of thing where we’d just write it and then go off and do other things, but consult.

    3:51AM – < rjmatz> @ash is it for adult swim or a normal for kids cartoon?

    3:51AM – < ashman01> wtf is with people calling me ass man?

    3:52AM – < newspeak3> @ash i guess they’re bad spellers

    3:52AM – < ashman01> it’s live action actually

    3:52AM – < ashman01> hey here’s a fun fact

    3:52AM – < ashman01> yuri lowenthal who played sonarman garvin in the 2-parter is the voice of superman on legion of superheroes. he’s also Ben 10 and Naruto,

    3:53AM – < RoxyB> Okay, so with Josh gone, Ash can now tell us everything about the plan for s3, right Ash?

    3:53AM – < ashman01> we went to college together. same freshman hall.

    3:53AM -< RebelFraggle> @ash, so he would have all the dirt on you then?

    3:53AM – < ashman01> I’m not gonna tell you anything about s3 =)

    3:53AM – < ashman01> oh yeah

    3:54AM – < CIsaac> @RoxyB – DENIED

    3:54AM – < RoxyB> it was worth a shot

    3:54AM – < ashman01> ask him about the time we went to see V for Vendetta on my birthday

    3:54AM -< guest_046> Ashley, do you and Zack write head to head (in a room together) or do you divide the work and write separately? I’m always curious how writing with a partner works.

    3:54AM – < ashman01> every partnership works differently. we plan together, write alone.

    3:54AM -< guest_395> what’s the feynman chronicles?

    3:55AM – < persia> How do you know what to writeor you each write a whole episode and crop it together?

    3:55AM – < ashman01> the feynman chronicles is a spec feature we wrote more or less on a dare that ended up selling to disney.

    3:56AM – < ashman01> persia, we split the baby and then put it back together. not always the same scheme for dividing things up

    3:56AM – < ashman01> sometimes it’s by act or group of acts, sometimes by a-b-c story

    3:57AM – < timt2318> is it hard getting into the writing business, ashman?

    3:57AM – < ashman01> we have very similar voices. and we do several polishes to sync things up

    3:57AM – < ashman01> timt: first, thank you for not calling me ass man.

    3:58AM – < timt2318> it was hard, but i didnt

    3:58AM – < ashman01> timt: it’s very hard, but I’m not the guy to ask. I fell out of the sky with a job on andromeda.

    3:58AM -< persia> Have you ever had an idea that you loved and someone else totally hated?

    3:58AM – < ashman01> I THINK YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE, ASS-MAN CALLERS.

    3:58AM – < timt2318> lol, so that was your first writing gig?

    3:59AM – < ashman01> yes timt

    3:59AM -< honestyy> ashman, was it always somehing you wanted to do?

    3:59AM -<~astropixie> And we heart you very much for falling out of the sky with Andromeda.

    3:59AM – < ashman01> yes. it’s what i always wanted to do.

    3:59AM – < ashman01> persia, I feel as though I have those ideas all the time

    4:00AM – < ashman01> or I have ideas that people think are crazy and I must beat them into agreeing with me.

    4:00AM – < ashman01> e.g., the structure of “Mister Ferguson is Ill Today”

    4:01AM – < R> that ep was awesome

    4:01AM – < persia> Oh man and that was an awesome episode

    4:01AM – < newspeak3> @ashman do you have a fav episode?

    4:01AM – < CIsaac> Mr. Ferguson was amazing

    4:01AM – < JH> ep awesome yes

    4:01AM – < ml805> great episode

    4:01AM – < ashman01> dan did a wonderful job with it. but we had to create a whole new method of breaking story just to get it on the board.

    4:03AM – Playing with the minds of fans is fun!

    4:03AM – < ashman01> you guys didn’t get to see my two favorite parts

    4:04AM – < Zokreb> I believe this question has been discussed a million times but : Do we have an idea (explanation) why there has been gossip around the renewal of “chuck”, the renewal of “dollhouse” for some weeks now. we also know for sure which are the new shows that FOX picked up (or dropped) for 2009/2010. But no gossip at all concerning tscc ? I mean, nothing ?

    4:04AM – < cinebo> got i would LOVE to see behind the scenes stuff of the writers room

    4:04AM – < ashman01> first: for budget reasons, we had to cut a lot of cromartie’s attack on the police station. he was supposed to be stymied by the police, say “I’ll be back” in spanish, and then drive his car through the wall.

    4:05AM – < ashman01> zok i wish i knew

    4:05AM -< castellan_craft> OMG that is a tragic loss of a scene

    4:05AM -< CIsaac> That would have been amazing.

    4:05AM – < ashman01> second: the dog’s story.

    4:05AM -< timt2318> the dog?

    4:05AM -< cinebo> lol

    4:05AM -< R> dog’s story. lol.

    4:05AM – < ashman01> there was supposed to be a story from a dog’s POV on the street.

    4:05AM -<~astropixie> Aww that would have been adorable

    4:05AM -< timt2318> are you serious?

    4:05AM – < ashman01> and it was AMAZING

    4:06AM – < timt2318> you’re bullsh*tting

    4:06AM – < ashman01> everyone who heard it simply flipped out.

    4:06AM – < guest_046> Aw, I mourn the loss of the dog’s story.

    4:06AM – < ashman01> I’m not

    4:06AM – < ashman01> you were supposed to see the dog with derek and cameron. think nothing of it. then see the dog’s story at the very, very end.

    4:06AM – < guest_138> wouldn’t the dog be constantly barking at cameron?

    4:07AM – < ashman01> well… the curious thing about the dog in the nighttime…

    4:07AM – < timt2318> dog in the nighttime? pray tell

    4:07AM – < RebelFraggle> I want that part of the script with the dog. We can make crude flash versions for youtube

    4:07AM – < ashman01> if you know your sherlock holmes, you’ll understand everything

    4:08AM – < persia> the hound of the baskerville??

    4:08AM – < ashman01> the curious incident of the dog in the night time…

    4:09AM – < ashman01> now i’m having way too much fun fucking with you.

    4:09AM – < timt2318> f*ck

    4:09AM – < airofina> loll

    4:10AM – < timt2318> i knew you were bullsh*tting about the dog

    4:10AM – <~astropixie> Better to be fucked with by Ash than anyone else, I guess

    4:10AM – < ashman01> what makes me laugh most about fans (in answer to your question) is how eagerly you jump on the tiniest things and explode these huge implications from throwaway lines or shots.

    4:10AM – < ashman01> and btw… it’s awesome

    4:10AM – < CIsaac> Like c-section scars!

    4:10AM – < twistdmentality> we like to see things through

    4:11AM – < ashman01> because I’m a fan, too. I know I’ve been guilty of it.

    4:11AM -< hero77> like the damn basement scene

    4:11AM -< cinebo> ASHMAN that;s because we’re GEEKS! lol

    4:11AM -< CIsaac> Yes, we want to know what happened in the basement so ad.

    4:11AM -< CIsaac> bad, even

    4:12AM – < ashman01> I’d love to tell you that story. but if there’s a season 3, maybe we will.

    4:12AM -< morricone> @ash can you actually be a fan of your own show? and how many times did you watch the episodes?

    4:14AM – < ashman01> I consider myself a fan of the show, because I’m a fan of the franchise. If that’s not obvious from the white house lawn full of easter eggs strewn across our episodes… I don’t know what else to tell you

    4:15AM – < stevenlu> @ash, was there any particular reason as to why there was a huge gap between the basement scene and cameron confirming what happened?

    4:15AM – < ashman01> steven because you wait for the right moment to tell the story or go back to it

    4:16AM – < ashman01> for example… look how we waited forever to have sarah and derek come to terms with the Big Lie about what happened to Kyle and his relationship to John

    4:16AM – < ashman01> and it happened purely by accident, and neither of them wanted to discuss it.

    4:16AM – < ashman01> which felt real and not overblown

    4:16AM – < CIsaac> And Derek died right after.

    4:16AM – < RoxyB> that was awesome

    4:16AM – < CIsaac> Ouch.

    4:17AM – The End

    4:17AM – < ashman01> ok guys. I’

    4:17AM –< ashman01> I will take one or two more Q’s then its bed time

    4:17AM -< RoxyB> @Ash – Is there a reason why the starting point of all the future stuff has been 2027 instead of 2029?

    4:17AM – < ashman01> yes.

    4:17AM -< RoxyB> cool

    4:17AM -< RoxyB> :)

    4:17AM -< RebelFraggle> Thank you for joining us. You rock and we will be following you on twitter. Congrats to you and the misses!

    4:17AM-< persia> Oh bye Thank you so much for your time and answers

    4:17AM – < ashman01> lol i didnt mean for that to be the question

    4:18AM – < ashman01> but you’re very welcome.

    4:18AM -< starkiller> so what was the reason>

    4:18AM -< airofina> thank you Ash for taking the time to talk with all of us! and thank you for this AMAZING show! =D

    4:18AM – < ashman01> the reason is yes.

    4:18AM – < MattLive> @Ashman01 Thanks Ash just dropped in, plenty of interesting stuff has been said. Will be reading the logs. Good night.

    4:18AM -< castellan_craft> You rock ash

    4:18AM -< steel1x1> Thank You Ash!

    4:18AM -< antar> tnx for the chat, ash… ‘Night!

    4:18AM -< RoxyB> Ash, you rock. Hope you get to keep on rocking the show for us

    4:18AM -< rjmatz> thanks much ash

    4:18AM -<~aelysian> Thank you. So much.

    4:18AM -< guest_138> Thanks, ash.

    4:18AM – < ashman01> good night guys. and no matter what happens on monday…

    4:18AM -< twistdmentality> Thanks for this.

    4:19AM – < ashman01> THANK YOU. Your efforts have been truly moving.

    Context: www.savethescc.com runs viewing parties in our chatroom every weekend. Including last night. During which we had some unexpected guests…

    Please note: What you see here is the log from the chatroom, and as such has been heavily edited, but the actual comments made by all members have been reproduced verbatim. Time stamp is Eastern Standard Time. Much thanks to cinebo, m_33 and drek.

    jfhenryJosh Friedman

    ashman01Ashley Edward Miller

    prepschoolrapist/apologeticdanDan Thomsen

    Warning: There IS profanity in the following transcription. Be warned.

    Please do not reproduce this transcript anywhere without permission from the mods.

    10:00PM – 11:26PM – Chatroom members watch Born to Run at FOX On Demand and begin watching Ourselves Alone.

    11:26PM EST � jfhenry has joined #savethescc

    11:26PM � 11:36PM � We discuss Ourselves Alone, Josh Friedman�s iron grip on spoilers, FutureJohn/Cameron and plumpynut.

    11:36 PM – < jfhenry> I just want to say that you guys doing this on a saturday night when the show isn’t even on warms my spoiler-hating heart.

    11:36PM – 11:38PM � We ignore jfhenry because we are cynical people that get a lot of strange visitors and discuss the Jesse/Riley fight instead.

    11:38PM � < JH> im the real JH

    11:38PM � < jfhenry> @JH I’m the real JF

    11:38PM � 11:40PM � We continue to ignore jfhenry

    11:40PM � < jfhenry> You can be him, JH, but I wrote him.

    11:40PM � We persist in ignoring jfhenry and talk about bleached skulls, Clorox and how fireworks = Judgment Day. And then things get interesting.

    11:41PM � < jfhenry> I wouldn’t say it was easy. it took us all day to shoot the scene

    11:41PM � < R> jfhenry. Hahaahaha

    11:42PM � < timt2318> well, if friedman had gotten his way riley wouldnt have been introduced until the 7th or 8th ep

    11:42PM � < R> what is ur job on tscc?

    11:42PM � < jfhenry> but I made the most of it didn’t I, timt2318?

    11:42PM � < timt2318> what, jfhenry?

    11:42PM � < timt2318> most of what

    11:42PM � < cinebo> god i hated jesse after this ep

    11:42PM � < jfhenry> riley intro’d in ep 2.

    11:43PM � < RoxyB> Riley was okay at the beginning – kinda fun, but she got dull

    11:43PM � < R> beat her up!

    11:43PM � < beyondmany> dang….

    11:43PM � < timt2318> yep, why you say you made the most of it

    11:43PM � < R> aaaand shes dead

    11:43PM � < timt2318> are you josh friedman….

    11:43PM � < jfhenry> i am

    11:43PM � 11:46PM � That chatroom continues to ignore, the mods start thinking �oh no, here we go, another weirdo� and the chat turns to John/Cameron and the pocket watch killswitch.

    11:46PM � < jfhenry> @timt thought I’d come by and say thanks to everyone.

    11:46PM � < timt2318> thanks for what, jfhenry

    11:46PM � < jfhenry> for supporting my show

    11:46PM � What are the rest of us doing? Still talking about Ourselves Alone

    11:47PM � < timt2318> ah. well if you are josh friedman why dont you convice fox to renew it tomorrow

    11:47PM � < jfhenry> i am josh friedman and I can’t even convince you I am.

    11:47PM � < aelysian> I am God and I can’t even convince you I am.

    11:47PM � < RoxyB> Yeah and I’m Lena Headey

    11:47PM � < cinebo> hey i’ll believe it

    11:47PM � < JH> then why is ur name henry?

    11:48PM � < timt2318> becasue were on a chat

    11:48PM � < R> and i’m thomas dekker

    11:48PM � < astropixie> I’m Summer Glau

    11:48PM � < RoxyB> Damn – so it’s just all us show people in here. Where the hell are the fans?!

    11:48PM � 11:51PM � the conversation continues on this trend until…

    11:51PM � < jfhenry> send an email on my public email. ——-@gmail.com. I’ll respond on this chat.

    11:51PM � < cinebo> LOL

    11:51PM � < persia> do it cinebo

    11:51PM � < starkiller> if its really him he should tweet something now

    11:51PM � < R> starkiller good idea

    11:51PM � < persia> sen an email

    11:51PM � < timt2318> even better, post what you’re doing right now on twitter

    11:51PM � < R> jh if it’s really u tweet a hello for us here

    11:51PM � < R> *jf

    11:51PM � < astropixie> Yes, tweet for us

    11:51PM � < RoxyB> YEAH!

    11:52PM � < jfhenry> done (Note: You can find his tweet here.)

    11:52PM � < aelysian> Well this is getting interesting.

    11:52PM � < persia> No Fucking WAY!!!

    11:52PM � < persia> It really is

    11:52PM � < astropixie> Dude, we were so close to blocking you

    11:52PM � < RoxyB> OMFG

    11:52PM � < astropixie> Just so you know

    11:52PM � < twistdmentality> Holy crap

    11:52PM � < cinebo> holy sh*t

    11:52PM � < RoxyB> Coolness

    11:52PM � < drek> OMG

    11:52PM � < R> omg

    11:52PM � < cinebo> NIIIIICE!

    11:52PM � < R> we love uuuuuu

    11:52PM � < jfhenry> well that would’ve been ironic

    11:52PM � < persia> Breathe!!!

    11:52PM � < timt2318> holy shit

    11:52PM � < drek> we love you

    11:52PM � < starkiller> OMG

    11:52PM � < drek> JF!

    11:53PM � < aelysian> Someone grab me a defibrillator.

    11:53PM � < timt2318> josh f*cking friedman

    11:53PM � < jfhenry> like I said, I appreciate the dedication. so i stopped by.

    11:53PM � < drek> hahah

    11:53PM � < twistdmentality> sonofabitch, my heart is pounding

    11:53PM � < aelysian> Dear god. We almost kicked him out.

    11:53PM � < cinebo> yeah the hell with coffe lol

    11:53PM � < timt2318> dude, this is awesome – fan interaction

    11:53PM � < twistdmentality> this is like epic geekery happening right now

    11:54PM � The chatroom seems to find its senses. Sort of.

    11:54PM � < timt2318> Josh, is there anything fans can do to help ensure a season 3

    11:54PM � < jfhenry> You’ve done all you can do re S3. Whatever happens, happens.

    11:54PM � < cinebo> man either way Josh thanks so much for everything…it’s been awesome!

    11:55PM � < jfhenry> If you guys would’ve blocked me it would’ve been awesome. It would’ve given me something to tweet about

    11:55PM � < astropixie> So, is there anything else we should be doing before Monday?

    11:55PM � < timt2318> josh, have you thought about a fan funded season 3?

    11:55PM � < R> jf ur so cool for showing up here. how did u hear about this viewing party?

    11:55PM � < aelysian> This mod is about to fall over and *die*

    11:55PM � < persia> I’m so glad I didn’t go to bed

    11:56PM � < cinebo> right?

    11:56PM � < twistdmentality> Stay alive! Enjoy the moment

    11:56PM � < astropixie> This mod feels like the biggest frakking tool

    11:56PM � < m_33> who needs to go to bed…. sunrises here.

    11:56PM � < RoxyB> Ausiello would’ve had a breaking news story “TSCC FANS REJECT SHOWRUNNER ON EVE OF DECISION”

    11:56PM � < JH> everyone say thank you to the mods for puttin up with us

    11:56PM � < cinebo> LOL

    11:56PM � < drek> lol roxy

    11:56PM � < drek> yeah thanks mods

    11:56PM � < jfhenry> cristina moreno tweeted about it

    11:56PM � < drek> thanks JF for showing up!

    11:56PM � < cinebo> Yes definitely Josh thanks so much for showing up!!

    11:56PM � < aelysian> While oxygen is still in my bloodstream…thank you so, so much. For simply everything.

    11:56PM � < jfhenry> thanks to all of you for caring so much

    11:56PM � 11:58PM � The chatroom cheers for Josh. It�s very geeky and does not require reproduction here.

    11:58PM � < drek> Josh what do you think about the dollhouse pickup?

    11:59PM � < jfhenry> @drek Happy for them. 20th owns the show so it’s a different calculus than SCc

    11:59PM � < timt2318> could TSCC be picked up by the CW if fox stupidly passes

    11:59PM � < drek> or Sci-Fi even

    12:00AM � < jfhenry> @timt doubt it. CW doesn’t have the cash to make the show

    12:00AM � < jfhenry> you mean SyFy

    12:00AM � The number of users in the chatroom is steadily rising and the topic of fansites comes up.

    12:01AM � < R> the blog run by the writers is the best

    12:02AM � < jfhenry> hadley does a great job

    12:02AM � ashman01 has joined #savethescc

    12:03AM � < ashman01> Let me guess, jfhenry is friedman

    12:03AM � < jfhenry> hey buddy

    12:04AM � the topic of twinkies comes up.

    12:04AM � < jfhenry> Ash and the writes made me a cake out of twinkies and ding dongs for my birthday. the awesomeest

    12:05AM � < ashman01> it was more awesome than awesome.

    12:05AM � < R> JF any plans for another golden apple visit for s2 dvd?

    12:05AM � < jfhenry> @RI’m up for it if someone organizes it. if we don’t have a show it’ll be dubious

    12:07AM � on the mods� near failure and plot points.

    12:07AM � < jfhenry> they almost kicked me out ash

    12:07AM � < ashman01> I heard. I was quite amused. story breaks would have been much different if we’d had that power irl.

    12:07AM � < ashman01> e.g., I’m quite certain Sarah would have been reunited with her father during a bank heist.

    12:07AM � < jfhenry> No shit Ash. No shit.

    12:07AM � < ashman01> for the record, I would have voted no.

    12:07AM � < jfhenry> Easy to say now. but I believe you, ash.

    12:10AM � on Shirley Manson, Toni Graphia and �Donald Where�s Your Trousers?�

    12:10AM � < phikappa> Hey JF, in her appearance on Craig Ferguson, Shirley Manson said she was out of the job. She scared me.

    12:10AM � < jfhenry> well, she’s not getting paid currently. so, technically. she is out of a job.

    12:10AM � < RoxyB> Shirley Manson is always hilarious on Craig Ferguson

    12:10AM � < ashman01> what she meant was that Garbage told her they wanted a new lead singer.

    12:11AM � < jfhenry> they’re making a transcript, ash.

    12:11AM � < ashman01> oops

    12:11AM � < thisyearsgirl> hahha yeah garbage wants ashlee simpson to join now. no more shirley

    12:11AM � < ashman01> i’m not saying fuck nearly enough.

    12:11AM � < astropixie> Don’t make us kick you off, ash. Profanity is against the rules.

    12:12AM � < ashman01> shit. seriously?

    12:12AM � < astropixie> Fuck no, not right now

    12:12AM � < phikappa> I want to hear Shirley seen Donald Where’s Your Trousers. Seriously, how did y’all choose that song to use?

    12:12AM � < jfhenry> ash and I are the biggest users of the word fuck that I know.

    12:13AM � < jfhenry> toni graphia found that song.

    12:13AM � < aelysian> Maybe it’s bad to fangirl someone when someone who knows them is right there, but…Toni Graphia is much loved by us Cameron fans. MUCH LOVED.

    12:13AM � < phikappa> It was so out of place, but so creepy. And it’s a fucking drinking song.

    12:13AM � < astropixie> We heart Toni Graphia

    12:13AM � < twistdmentality> Toni Graphia is fucking awesome

    12:14AM � < jfhenry> yeah I made them sing it like a dirge.

    12:14AM � < heroeswench> No matter what happens I want to say thanks to both of you guys for such a great series. I have never fought this hard for a show before and it is cause of the greatness you guys have written along with everyone else who writes for the show.

    12:14AM � < jfhenry> we appreciate it.

    12:15AM � < ashman01> thank josh. we’d be knee deep in long lost relatives and terminators of the week without him.

    12:15AM � < ashman01> ok, so maybe there are a COUPLE long lost relatives

    12:15AM � < ashman01> at least one. maybe two.

    12:15AM � < ashman01> ok… three. but three, tops.

    12:17AM � On The Much Anticipated/Dreaded Monday

    12:17AM � < astropixie> So we’re still calling, emailing, and emailing advertisers…can you guys suggest anything else that we could be doing before Monday?

    12:17AM � < jfhenry> get on your knees and pray.

    12:17AM � < ashman01> oh, bash away. trust us, we’re pros. we’re pretty good at bashing back.

    12:17AM � 12:20AM � The chatroom frets about Monday, Dollhouse, and the all consuming need for Season Three.

    12:20AM � < jfhenry> Usually I’ve got eighteen Summer questions by now. Don’t start.

    12:20AM � < ashman01> josh… did you see the video that jweggers posted on youtube? did everyone see that?

    12:20AM � < usagiko> omg it was great

    12:20AM � < cinebo> yes ashman

    12:20AM � < gregsky> yes, it’s niice

    12:20AM � < drek> Yeah JF did you see the video we made “i am sarah connor” and “We are the resistance”

    12:21AM � < GKnee77> yes ash GREAT vid he did

    12:21AM � < Paty> BRASIL LOVES TSCC

    12:21AM � < cinebo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAJJxqeNMjE

    12:21AM � < timepassedyouby> If you’re talking about that trailer for the show, I saw it and LOVED it.

    12:21AM � < jfhenry> I did see the vids. thanks. they’re great.

    12:20AM � 12:24AM � The chatroom is suddenly flooded with people and coherent conversation is near impossible. Snippets of evidence below…

    12:24AM � < jfhenry> I usually just cruise around the net making sure Ash and Zack aren’t spoiling things.

    12:24AM � < persia> @ JOSH FRIEDMAN is this like the worst fan convention you’ve ever been too?

    12:24AM � < prepschoolrapist> Hey Ash. Twitter told me to do this.

    12:24AM � < ashman01> the skynext podcasts are awesome.

    12:24AM � < heroeswench> LOL. Ash and Zack behave pretty well.

    12:24AM � < jfhenry> I know but they’re fun to tease.

    12:25AM � < rafabra> Brazilians love the TSCC

    12:26AM � < schmacky> holy hell there’s a lot of people in here!

    12:26AM � < kevinj> this is slow, 10th wonder had 300 people in theirs

    12:26AM � < ashman01> maybe they did have 300 people, but did they have 300 awesome people? I think not.

    12:27AM � < heroeswench> So, if Fox disappoints us, are there hopes for other outlets Josh? Where do we start?

    12:28AM � < jfhenry> If Fox says no I think we’re done. I know no one wants to hear that, but zI think that’s the case.

    12:28AM � < astropixie> Good question, heroes. What should we do if the news on Monday is bad?

    12:28AM � < thisyearsgirl> I think if TSCC gets canceled it should infiltrate Scrubs and take over that show entirely. And Melrose Place. And 90210.

    12:28AM � < Bleek> Just want to say: Save The Chronicles!

    12:28AM � < ashman01> right now I’m testing out a strategy of feigning disinterest

    12:28AM � < usagiko> What’s the chance of another network picking us up if we get canceled?

    12:28AM � < prepschoolrapist> I hear Starz is a lovely place to work

    12:29AM � < ashman01> here’s what you do if the show doesn’t get a pick up. be glad you had 31 episodes you really enjoyed, and that it left you wanting more.

    12:29AM � < kevinj> @Josh, thank you for a GREAT show, and I think FOX will give you another seasojn

    12:29AM � 12:30AM � Talk descends into the land of how to Save Sarah Connor and turns to the Dollhouse pickup.

    12:30AM � < jfhenry> No reason to focus on Dollhouse. Any show picked up is one spot less. Be happy if Fox supports any quirky SF. No one else does right now.

    12:30AM � < thisyearsgirl> Because Fox only has a limited number of shows they can pick up. Dollhouse and TSCC both got not great ratings. I wouldnt think theyd pick up two shows with not good ratings.

    12:30AM � < prepschoolrapist> My dinner tonight was turkey lunch meat wrapped around a cheddarjack cheese stick and some teajava and it made me think of Josh Friedman.

    12:31AM � < persia> @JOSH FRIEDMAN what is a question you are sick of hearing?

    12:32AM � < jfhenry> @persia, well, if we don’t get picked up Monday i figure no one’ll ask me another question for the resst of my life. So why complain?

    12:33AM � < thisyearsgirl> Dollhouse got a lot better after the first few episodes. It’s going to be a good show. But DH and TSCC together were a great night, IMO

    12:33AM � < cinebo> @JOSH FRIEDMAN nah man you’re a genius for creating TSCC, we’ll watch anything you make dude

    12:33AM � < ashman01> technically, we ended on an up trend. DH ended down, more or less falling off a cliff with the Prison Break lead-in. We can empathize.

    12:34AM � < jfhenry> The show cost 2.7 the first year, and avg’d out below 3 mill the second year. about the same or a little less than dirty sexy money, pushing daises, the like.

    12:34AM � < cinebo> @ASHMAN – wow is this what your twitter looks like every day dude?

    12:34AM – prepschoolrapist was kicked from #savethescc by aelysian [aelysian]. Yes. We kicked out Dan Thomsen. In our defence, we didn�t know it was him.

    12:34AM � < ashman01> more or less cinebo

    12:35AM � < ashman01> except I say fuck a lot more on twitter.

    12:36AM � < ggmarie1234> @josh and ash…i just wanted to give you props for casting jj as kyle…i’d never seen T:SCC or any of the terminator movies until you cast him and i just luuuv him. and now i am totally, totally sucked into the fandom. *hugs terminator in all its incarnations*

    12:36AM � < LordByronX> does warner/sony anyone help w/ the bills since the movie?

    12:36AM � < jfhenry> @lordbyron No.

    12:36AM � < ashman01> I’ll tell you what… we had a lot of really great writers on TSCC. But you know who really sucked, Josh? Dan Thomsen.

    12:36AM � < ashman01> Dan Thomsen blows dead bears.

    12:37AM � < jfhenry> Did he just show up in here?

    12:37AM � < ashman01> he may have, Josh. He may have.

    12:38AM � < jfhenry> is he the one to drunk to type?

    12:38AM � 12:39AM � Inebriation is discussed, which morphs into discussion about what Monday will hold for everyone.

    12:39AM � < jfhenry> I’ll be at therapist at 8am, deli for lox and eggs with john wirth at 930. Home by eleven working on a spec.

    12:40AM � Documenting aelysian�s brilliance and getting the backstory.

    12:40AM � < ashman01> who kicked prepschoolrapist?

    12:40AM � < apologeticDan> Ash, I’m back

    12:40AM � < ashman01> lol

    12:40AM � < apologeticDan> apparently the kick didn’t block my IP

    12:40AM � < apologeticDan> yay

    12:40AM � < ashman01> nice

    12:41AM � <astropixie> For the record, aelysian did.

    12:41AM � < ashman01> the unfortunately named aforementioned prepschoolrapist is in actuality young Dan Thomsen.

    12:41AM � < ashman01> cute, ain’t he?

    12:41AM � < jfhenry> oh. I didn’t look at the name. that’s what I said dan looked like when I met him.

    12:41AM � < phikappa> Dan Thomsen is a prepschool rapist?

    12:41AM � < apologeticDan> I think it was the combination of my green font and my nonsequitor references to Josh’s preferred foods during the season

    12:41AM � < ashman01> lol josh

    12:41AM � 12:44AM � We realize how freaking lucky we are.

    12:43AM � < cinebo> yeah it’s cool to just talk to you guys like it’s no big deal….

    12:43AM � < ashman01> well, we appreciate every crazy thing you crazy fuckers have done to show the love.

    12:44AM � < ggmarie1234> ash, dan, josh, will u guys know before us on monday? or do find out when fox announces it, like us minions?

    12:44AM � <~astropixie> Hee. We’re crazy fuckers.

    12:44AM � < phikappa> JH, that makes you more interesting. You’re just like us only you are the geniuses behind TSCC. Your celebrities that aren’t arrogant.

    12:44AM � < GKnee77> @Ash I already explained you and Josh are like Jesus to us fans, remember Josh and Jesus fighting crime together

    12:44AM � < ashman01> now there’s a name for a fan movement, am I right?

    12:44AM � < usagiko> @ashman: oh yes

    12:44AM � < jfhenry> There is no plan for Monday. I know that seems bizarre. But I figure someone’ll find me if they need me.

    12:44AM � < ashman01> Trekkies. Browncoats. Crazy Fuckers.

    12:45AM � <astropixie> We’re the Resistance, bitches.

    12:45AM � < timt2318> Ashman, i think Demented Crazy F*ckers is more apt

    12:45AM � < m_33> ashman : We are the resistance.

    12:45AM � < cinebo> @ASHMAN dude that’s how badass you guys and tscc are, you bring out the “crazy f**kers” in us ; )

    12:46AM � < ashman01> I love LA. It’s the greatest city on Earth. All you need to do is go to the Studio City Hand Car Wash, hang out for like an hour and you’ll understand this in its fullness.

    12:47AM � < apologeticDan> @ash The car wash with the giant hand on Ventura?

    12:47AM � < ashman01> the very one

    12:47AM � < Tom> So you ‘ll just get a phone call on Monday? Or what?

    12:47AM � < apologeticDan> I used to live on the hill above that place.

    12:47AM � < apologeticDan> Sunshine Terrace. A weird, weird place.

    12:47AM � < LucasZenHannon> @ash, I see your LA’s Studio City Car Wash and raise you NYC’s Union Square.

    12:47AM � < ashman01> chicago is cold and smells weird, the chicks aren’t hot and they all wear parkas all the fucking time anyway

    12:47AM � < jfhenry> @Tom I guess. WB asked me to write up two different press releases, one for if we get picked up and one if we didn’t. I’ve written neither.

    12:47AM � < ashman01> plus, no good sushi

    12:48AM � < thecrusader> Shirley Manson had said that she was an unemployed actress. People wondered what that meant

    12:48AM � < ashman01> my apologies if you’re from chicago and you happen to be hot.

    12:48AM � < timt2318> you’re crazy, Ashman. you’re on the wrong side of town.

    12:48AM � < jfhenry> I’m not writing a press release until I know what’s going on and how I feel about what’s going on.

    12:49AM � On spoilers, Monday, and internet personalities.

    12:49AM � < jfhenry> @tehcrusader you know more than I do. I’m going to brunch with my family and then to the laker game.

    12:49AM � < ashman01> oh and for the record? speaking of leaks? — —– can smurf my smurf.

    12:50AM � < RoxyB> on the count of 3 everyone send a psychic message to Kevin Reilly to renew TSCC

    12:50AM � < RoxyB> ready?

    12:50AM � < RoxyB> 1

    12:50AM � < RoxyB> 2

    12:50AM � < RoxyB> 3

    12:50AM � < usagiko> @ashman: What about Ausiello?

    12:50AM � < ashman01> shit there’s gonna be a transcript.

    12:50AM � < apologeticDan> @ash I want Perez to referee your death match

    12:50AM � < ashman01> ausiello is just doing his job. you know, something he gets paid to do by a real media outlet.

    12:51AM � < ashman01> he actually has said some nice things about us. but he seems to be obsessed with our demise.

    12:52AM � < apologeticDan> The only thing I found out about Ausiello at the TCA press tour last year is that he doesn’t like to be touched. (Let’s see if that one gets picked up somewhere…)

    12:53 � And the topic of fanfic comes up. Joy. It�s like discussing the Bible with God. Or something.

    12:53AM � < ashman01> I personally avoid fanfic like the plague. Although I’ve met some fans who went on to become pros.

    12:54AM � < jfhenry> I’ve never read fanfic. NEVER.

    12:54AM � < nlynn> @ashman Any examples?

    12:54AM � < schmacky> i think what i love about the wiki the most is how everyone is an expert on what would make this show THE BEST..

    12:54AM � < apologeticDan> I used to write Trek fanfic when I was a teenager. :)

    12:54AM � < cinebo> @JFHENRY some of the fanfic…yeah…interesting stuff lol

    12:54AM � <aelysian> Is love really the right word there, Schmacky?

    12:55AM � < RoxyB> Did anyone ever read a fanfic at fanfiction.net called “— —- ——-”? WORST FANFIC EVER

    12:55AM � < ashman01> fuck, you guys found my short story “— —- — ——–”???

    12:55AM � < Raingin> LOL @ ashman

    12:55AM � < cinebo> LOL

    12:56AM � < persia> :D

    12:56AM � On fan theories, original fiction and shipping.

    12:56AM � < jfhenry> My favorite fan theory is about how I hate Cameron/Summer and deliberately shsut her out of the middle of th season.

    12:56AM � < ashman01> “Who are you?” “I’m here to optimize your climate control.” “But I don’t have climate control.” “I know.”

    12:56AM � < ashman01> BOW CHIKA BOW BOW

    12:56AM � < schmacky> @josh.. OH MY GOD! that’s when i went crazy in there. literally. all that crap drove me NUTS

    12:56AM � <~aelysian> Psh. No one can hate Cameron/Summer.

    12:56AM � < ashman01> thats an excerpt from my damn story

    12:56AM � < timt2318> it’s unique

    12:57AM � < timt2318> i’m definitiely not going to read that, ashman…

    12:57AM � < timepassedyouby> I thought the story was that you lost her phone number, Josh? :P

    12:57AM � < RoxyB> @aesylian – you do realized you just shipped summer with teh character she plays, right?

    12:57AM � < RoxyB> LOL

    12:57AM � < schmacky> LOL

    12:57AM � <aelysian> …let’s not get into my ships, shall we?

    12:57AM � <astropixie> Good to know I’m not the only person who noticed that and is completely warped by the internet

    12:58AM � < RoxyB> I’m shipping John/Catherine for season 3

    12:58AM � < jfhenry> Well it is a logical theory. I tried to work with her for five years, wrote the part for her, cast her…hmm. I must hate her.

    12:58AM � < ashman01> summer/cameron slash fiction

    12:58AM � < Tom> When is the announcement on Monday?

    12:58AM � < ggmarie1234> we think 1-3 california time, tom

    12:58AM � < ashman01> like that trek short story about kirk and spock beaming onto the set of star trek

    12:58AM � < ashman01> it’s awesome — i think James Blish wrote it

    12:59AM � < LucasZenHannon> This conversation took a turn into hell.

    12:59AM � < cinebo> @ASHMAN where is THAT story cuz that sounds interesting lol

    12:59AM � < phikappa> Good night. JH, Ash. I’m rooting for you. Ash’s baby needs a 3rd season. The fans need a third season. And JH needs to get his story told

    12:59AM � < apologeticDan> it’s kind of the logical extension of the cameron/allison slash that John was going to write in season three

    1:00AM � < schmacky> it’s funny.. my sister walked outta Star Trek thinkin Kirk and Spock had some chemistry… i thought she was crazy, but maybe she was onto something..

    1:00AM � < ashman01> i’ll tell you what my plan is

    1:00AM � < ashman01> BFM. Big martini.

    1:00AM � < apologeticDan> @schmacky… dude… the ONLY two other male characters in genre who have more chemistry than Kirk and Spock are Clark and Lex

    1:02AM � On Master Plans

    1:02AM � < ggmarie1234> so josh are you going to tell us your plan or was that a tease?!

    1:02AM � < jfhenry> I was never going to tell you my plan.

    1:02AM � < RoxyB> what plan? WHAT PLAN?!

    1:03AM � < thecrusader> Yeah what plan?

    1:03AM � <~astropixie> He’s a cylon, of course he has a plan.

    1:02AM � 1:07AM � On the Finale, Thomas Dekker, and pancakes

    1:07AM � < jfhenry> the three people most responsible for the finale are in this chatroom. if dan is stillhere.

    1:07AM � < ggmarie1234> in the john/cameron scene when he started digging around inside her chest…did john say it was “gold” or “cold”?

    1:08AM � < apologeticDan> @Josh… still here, multitasking on Twitter

    1:08AM � < jfhenry> cold

    1:08AM � < apologeticDan> Well the thing is I’m a very creative guy so I came up with “@danielthomsen”

    1:09AM � < RoxyB> @castellan – the ickiness was in the similarity to the pilot scene when Sarah’s sitting on John’s bed

    1:09AM � < schmacky> the first time i watched the cam/john scene i was like “wtf?” and the second time it just made me giggle

    1:10AM � < jfhenry> roxyB I had actually writtenthe wakeup part of that scene a word or two different and Thomas asked if he could change it to be like the pilot scene. smart thomas.\

    1:10AM � < Tom> Jose you let your actors change dialogue?!?! WTF?! jk

    1:11AM � < jfhenry> @Tom actually, I don’t. But I was on the set and he asked nicely.

    1:11AM � <~astropixie> For someone who is regularly attacked by guyliner, yeah, Thomas seems pretty smart.

    1:12AM � < jfhenry> Thomas is extremely smart. And the best student of the franchise.

    1:12AM � < persia> @ASHMAN01 is there a reason for all the pancake making?? Did you guys routinely miss breakfast?

    1:13AM � < ashman01> you have no idea the pancake scene that did NOT make it into the show

    1:13AM � < jfhenry> Pancaking+the beautiful monotony of parents/providing for your kids.

    1:13AM � < RebelFraggle> @ashman NOW you HAVE to tell us

    1:14AM � < apologeticDan>Can we all agree that Thomas’s most amazing work was in Star Trek: Generations? That’s actually what I complimented him on when I first met him.

    1:14AM � < apologeticDan> “Come to dinner, pa pa.”

    1:14AM � < ashman01> wtf was thomas in generations?

    1:14AM � < apologeticDan> @Ash — DUDE, he played Picard’s hallucinated son!

    1:14AM � < timt2318> actually, pancakes were my favorite food… then ashman ruined it for me

    1:15AM � < antar> @dan: seriously? dont remember him

    1:15AM � < apologeticDan> @antar: Yup. I imdb’d him when I got hired on the show and saw that credit and it all came rushing back to me. I’ve actually seen Generations more times than I should admit.

    1:16AM � On former FBI Agent James Ellison

    1:16AM � < schmacky> Ellison love was lost sometime during S2

    1:16AM � <aelysian> Schmacky – when he got dumb?

    1:16AM � < schmacky> aelysian@ yeah about that time

    1:17AM � < ashman01> as it turns out, ellison was the smartest guy on the show. but that’s a whole other discussion.

    1:17AM � < schmacky> @ash.. was he really? or was it simply by accident? lol

    1:17AM � < cinebo> @ASHMAN see thats why we need season 3 lol..to explore that discussion ; )

    1:17AM � < jfhenry> They key to not spilling secrets is not telling anybody

    1:18AM � <~astropixie> The main thing I grew to dislike about Ellison was how mean he was to John Henry. John Henry, my new favourite character of all time. Garret Dillahunt is amazing.

    1:18AM � < ashman01> nothing to share. pretty self-evident.

    1:18AM � < ashman01> but I leave that to you.

    1:19AM � < apologeticDan> Ellison is a very relaxed man. I’m on board with the way he carries himself through freaky, freaky times.

    1:19AM � On Garret Dillahunt being everywhere, Optimism, and FOX

    1:19AM � < Raingin> Garret is in the 4400 too, apparently. XD

    1:19AM � < LucasZenHannon> Whenever I see him I yell “BeastWizard”

    1:19AM � < LucasZenHannon> Is that wrong?

    1:20AM � < ashman01> garrett was amazing on Life. He’s amazing whatever he does,

    1:20AM � < apologeticDan> Oh speaking of 4400 — Ash, did you know that Ira is running “Crash” on Starz now???

    1:20AM � < ashman01> he could be amazing on prison break

    1:20AM � < ashman01> yeah dan.

    1:20AM � < RebelFraggle> They are making a TV movie for Prison Break now

    1:20AM � < apologeticDan> Doug auditioned for him yesterday.

    1:20AM � < apologeticDan> He was being very Ira

    1:21AM � < RoxyB> I vote for a TV movie if we don’t get a 3rd season

    1:21AM � < jfhenry> there willbe no tv movie. no cw. no SyFy. It’s either a third season on Fox or we all curl up with or DVDs and move on.

    1:22AM � < ashman01> I will curl up with my blu-rays.

    1:22AM � <~astropixie> Way to quash dreams and make babies cry, Josh.

    1:23AM � < persia> @ASHMAN01 has a baby to support we have to get a 3rd season!

    1:23AM � < jfhenry> I just want to be as real as I can. I love that you guys are so optimistic and passionate and I don’t want you in more torture than you have to be.

    1:23AM � < usagiko> in the words of Dekker, Daddy’s got bills to pay.

    1:23AM � < ashman01> my baby will be fine. I have a number of top secret things happening that should keep him in Gerber’s for a while.

    1:23AM � < Tom> Josh, when was the last time you spoke to anybody from Fox?

    1:25AM � < jfhenry> @Tom: I can’t remember. Maybe a month.

    1:25AM � < kevinj> @Josh and Ash do you guys want a full season or 13 episode pickup?

    1:25AM � < Tom> UGH – did this happen last year just like this Josh?

    1:26AM � < jfhenry> Full season. Although in general I think 22 eps at a network pace is too much/too fast.

    1:26AM � < apologeticDan> Agreed.

    1:26AM � < morricone> I heard that networks are not really signing for full seasons anymore

    1:26AM � < jfhenry> @Tom: Fox didn’t give us a pick up until the last possible minute the first year. And that held true between front thirteen and back nine.

    1:27AM � < kevinj> @josh Ash Dan maybe they’ll give you a full season with a January start like Lost

    1:27AM � < apologeticDan> @morricone I think it’s more situational… certain genres of shows are fine for 22, like CSI or 90210.

    1:27AM � < ashman01> honestly I think 13 is a much better number for a TV season

    1:28AM � < LucasZenHannon> Ash/Josh… if you DO get picked up for a third season, would you write it as if it were the end of the series, just in case?

    1:28AM � < jfhenry> @Lucas Didn’t we just do that?

    1:28AM � < persia> I loved Alpine Fields as a stand alone

    1:28AM � < ashman01> lucas, I would write whatever the fuck josh tells me to write.

    1:28AM � < apologeticDan> Alpine Fields love!!

    1:29AM � < timt2318> josh, ashman, dan, how much influence did fox have in season 2? i know they were behind the riley thing but what else?

    1:29AM � < ashman01> yes, the most hilarious part of Alpine Fields was the pile of dead babies. Good times.

    1:30AM � < jfhenry> @timt:S2 was ours. Fox did want more standalone, hence the bloody wall. But we shook loose of that after a bit.

    1:31AM � On DVD Commentary, the winning qualities of James Middleton and Brian Austin Green

    1:31AM � < morricone> Josh, Ash can you tell us anything about the season 2 dvd, like will there be commentary tracks etc?

    1:31AM � < Sadguylol> JOSH is in here ? whats his name ?

    1:31AM � < ashman01> his name is Josh

    1:32AM � < ashman01> duh

    1:32AM � < jonh611> I really hope Fox doesn’t fuck up my Monday, and everyone else’s Monday

    1:32AM � < jfhenry> great stuff on s2 dvd. commentaries, lots of special docs. they spent a day filming us in the writers room. good stuff.

    1:33AM � < cinebo> @JOSH awesome!

    1:33AM � < RoxyB> ya – love comentary

    1:33AM � < morricone> wohoo great

    1:33AM � < kevinj> @Josh Ash Dan how have the season 2 preorders been?

    1:33AM � < jfhenry> @kevinj Don’t know.

    1:34AM � < guest_216> I love that FBI scene with the Johnny Cash song it was EPIC

    1:35AM � < Snarf> The Man Comes Around

    1:35AM � < jfhenry> The JOhnny Cash thing will probably go down as my favorite thing. Mostly my favorite because the studio didn’t want us to use the song. I was on strike so I couldn’t argue for it but james Middleton stuck his foot in the ground and made sure it happend.

    1:35AM � < kevinj> @Josh Ash Dan #14 and #20 on amazon for Season 2 DVDs

    1:36AM � < airofina> Any chance Allison from Palmdale is one of the episodes that has a commentary?

    1:36AM � < ashman01> and if you’ve ever seen james middleton, you’d realize he has freakishly small feet. So this was quite an accomplishment.

    1:36AM � < jfhenry> Al from the P is a commentary ep.

    1:37AM � < apologeticDan> Small feet/Big Heart: The James Middleton Story

    1:37AM � < schmacky> @josh.. mind tellin us what other eps have commentary?

    1:37AM � < jfhenry> Samson and Delilah, Adam Raised a Cain, Born to Run

    1:38AM � < apologeticDan> No Ferguson commentary. :-/

    1:38AM � < scarlett> I love how TSCC made B.A.G into a total bad ass

    1:38AM � < ashman01> so does BAG

    1:38AM � < thecrusader> Was it hard to cast a new actor for Kyle Reese?

    1:39AM � < jfhenry> BAG is a badass.

    1:39AM � < apologeticDan> BAG has twitter?

    1:39AM � < jfhenry> It was the last thing we did creatively before we went on strike. Were you in casting Ash or was it Zack? it was literally the last freaking second.

    1:39AM � < twistdmentality> BAG said in a podcast that he’s keeping far away from twitter

    1:40AM � < apologeticDan> Yeah, seems unlikely that he’d twitter.

    1:40AM � < jfhenry> @starkiller I offered to do commentaries on every ep on s! but they wouldn’t let me. They told me no one cares about them.

    1:41AM � < apologeticDan> All I remember about right before the strike was we were in the middle of Vick’s Chip, Josh gave that speech, I shook Miller Tobins’ hand and took a picture of my office then, you know, left.

    1:41AM � < CJ> Josh you should do them as a podcast like Ron Moore did for BSG

    1:41AM � < jfhenry> @CJ I was going to but they discouraged me.

    1:41AM � < scarlett> I love commentaries but people think I am crazy

    1:42AM � < jfhenry> The hardest thing about filming BTR was knowing the last day was the HK crash and praying we didn’t fuck it up. Also, it was a very emotional time for the actors and everyone and people were a little on edge. But on top of their game.

    1:43AM � < thecrusader> Why was it an emotional time?

    1:43AM � < jfhenry> cuz it was the last ep of season.

    1:43AM � < ashman01> forgive me, I’m tanking an Ulduar raid while I do this.

    1:45AM � On Derek and Jesse, C-Sections and Australian Accents

    1:45AM � < timt2318> so, did derek kill jesse or is that left up to the viewer to decide

    1:45AM � < jfhenry> @tint that is up to you my friend.

    1:46AM � < ashman01> I think we ended on an ambiguous note for a reason.

    1:47AM � <~aelysian> Ambiguous is definitely a word for it. One of many.

    1:47AM � < schmacky> yeah.. so the debate can live on forever. weeee

    1:47AM � < RebelFraggle> @ashman I love that you left that up to the viewer

    1:47AM � < ashman01> you tell us if jesse’s dead. only derek reese knows for sure.

    1:47AM � <~astropixie> To the shock and mutters of therapy from my parents, I sprang up from the couch and shouted, “I have to go online and post on my livejournal!” after Born to Run

    1:48AM � < apologeticDan> @astro My parents used to read over my shoulder because they were so paranoid about the strange “science fiction” stuff I was into. I was a bad kid.

    1:48AM � < persia> Wait did SC give herself a c-section? we had a long discussion @JF

    1:48AM � < ashman01> and THIS is why josh is wise not to want to tell you things that aren’t on screen. you’d have no fun at all.

    1:48AM � < timt2318> how bad were you apologeticdan?

    1:49AM � < morricone> @ash that’s true but we just _can’t_ stop asking

    1:49AM � < jfhenry> i’m not going to answer story details. at least no the ones I don’t want to.

    1:49AM � < apologeticDan> @timt Well I could show you the binder of starships I designed for the Trek RPG I used to be a member of..

    1:51AM � < starkiller> we had a long discussion here about the c section in the jungle

    1:51AM � < LucasZenHannon> Did anyone else notice Jesse’s American accent when she met with Sarah?

    1:51AM � < thecrusader> Yep

    1:51AM � < usagiko> yes

    1:51AM � < jfhenry> that’s funny cuz we didn’t

    1:51AM � < LucasZenHannon> Really? I thought it was on purpose, Josh.

    1:51AM � < apologeticDan> She’s doing an American accent on Melrose Place this year.

    1:52AM � < jfhenry> I was referring to the c sectioin not the accent. the accent was on purpose. as was the c section.

    1:52AM � On strange ideas

    1:52AM � < RoxyB> so…. is there a secret Connor daughter?

    1:52AM � < ashman01> THERE ARE NO SECRET FUCKING SIBLINGS.

    1:53AM � < ashman01> josh of course may disagree

    1:53AM � < jfhenry> Amen brother.

    1:53AM � < jfhenry> to both.

    1:53AM � < persia> Was Derek ever thought to be a love intrest for SC @JF?

    1:53AM � < ggmarie1234> you mean, no *more* secret fucking siblings?

    1:53AM � < jfhenry> @JF No to the love interest. icky.

    1:53AM � < steel1x1> @jfhernry Did John and Riley make whoopie in Episode 10 of Season 2?

    1:54AM � < ashman01> brb gotta pwn Hodir AND grab a fresh martini.

    1:55AM � < GKnee77> what if allison and kyle are together in the future? where does that leave john, that’s what i wanna know

    1:55AM � < jfhenry> see, there’s my need to clarify things I like to be clear, and my need not to clarify things I don’t want clear. atough line.

    1:55AM � < antar> well, that’s what season 3 is for…

    1:55AM � < schmacky> uuuuuuuuuugh@ kyle and allison being together. No no no no no.

    1:55AM � < persia> Wait was that answer about Riley and John?

    1:55AM � <~astropixie> Sometimes fandom makes me want to stab my eyes out with a spork.

    1:56AM � < jfhenry> @persia: no. and no, they didn’thave sex.

    1:56AM � < steel1x1> @jfherny Thank you for clearing that up.

    2:01AM � Speculation and Deadlines

    2:01AM � < jfhenry> I think everybody has a right to speculate S3 and until it’s bro9adcast on fox then anything’s fair game. I do think there’s been some loony shit written about s2.

    2:03AM � < nlynn> How long does it take you guys to write an episode?

    2:03AM � < RebelFraggle> I just want to keep Derek! BEST UNCLE EVER! That park scene where he showed John his father as a child. I cried for an hour

    2:03AM � < ashman01> nothing fans say surprises me

    2:03AM � <~astropixie> Yeah, how long does it take to write an ep?

    2:03AM � < ashman01> when i started on andromeda, I used to drop into fan chat rooms all the damn time.

    2:03AM � < ashman01> people said shit that would curl your hair

    2:03AM � < ashman01> it would curl your curly hairs

    2:03AM � < apologeticDan> @nlynn We usually spend a week in the writers’ room firming up the story, then when the script gets assigned to a writer, he/she usually has about 7 days ot do it

    2:03AM � < jfhenry> @nlynn: maybe a week and change to break it (outline it) and two weeks to write it. Sometimes a lot less if we’re crunchyed.

    2:04AM � < apologeticDan> two weeks??

    2:04AM � < jfhenry> ish.

    2:04AM � < nlynn> Thanks. Do you go through a lot of revisions or are you guys pretty much in sync at this point?

    2:04AM � < ashman01> 7 days? you pussies.

    2:04AM � <jfhenry> I was talking about toni

    2:05AM � < apologeticDan> haaa

    2:05AM � < apologeticDan> nice

    2:05AM � < cinebo> k this is THE best night ever

    2:05AM � < talli> Dan is wondering why everyone else gets two weeks and not him…

    2:05AM � < jfhenry> WE broke the finale in four days, then ash dan and I re-broke it in four hours over sushi, and then I wrote it in four days

    2:05AM � < apologeticDan> Seriously. This realization could impact my answer to the “How’s Josh as a boss?” question.

    2:06AM � < ashman01> that was a ton of fun btw

    2:06AM � < ashman01> my wife was PISSED

    2:06AM � < ashman01> mainly because i forgot to call and tell her I was gonna be… very late

    2:06AM � < nlynn> At least there was sushi.

    2:06AM � < jfhenry> I was guessing, Dan. I never paid attention. No one ever gave me two weeks.

    2:07AM � < apologeticDan> Well honestly the other issue with most writers is, even if you do get two weeks, what percentage of that time is spent screwing around?

    2:07AM � < ashman01> best story beat on the board ever: “cameron john travoltas through prison”

    2:07AM � < jfhenry> we were paranoid about all the eps, but especially last two.

    2:08AM � < cinebo> Cameron shots up the prison to “stayin alive” lol

    2:08AM � < talli> @Dan Ash tends to refer to it as f*cking around…but screwing works

    2:08AM � < jfhenry> the bag death we were worried would get out. as well as hk crash. lots of fightws with fox marketing re revealing shirley was metal

    2:09AM � < apologeticDan> @talli Yeah I’d typically default to that terminology as well, but I’m in apologetic mode for earlier linguistic transgressions.

    2:09AM � < Thecolours> @ Josh Fox did leak that poster of the T-1001 before the premiere.

    2:09AM � < jfhenry> @coloours and I was screaming at people on the phone

    2:14AM � On American Idol

    2:14AM � < timt2318> i find it even harder to belive that 30M people watch a freaking singing competition weekly!

    2:14AM � < jfhenry> Go Adam Lambert!

    2:16AM � On L�Amour and Conventions

    2:16AM � < kevinj> @Josh Ash Dan what did you think about the midseason break?

    2:16AM � < jfhenry> Yeah, romance. As I say to the writers in the room, when I get laid, the characters’ll get laid.

    2:16AM � < CIsaac> Josh and Ash, you guys make a great, great show. I love it. Thank you for all the time you’ve given us.

    2:16AM � < apologeticDan> @kevinj Most of the time those things are a production necessity with a 22 ep season

    2:16AM � < schmacky> @josh… do we need to write letters to your wife then or something?

    2:17AM � < ashman01> josh, uh… derek did get laid

    2:17AM � < ashman01> quite a bit it seems like

    2:17AM � < cinebo> LOL

    2:17AM � < jfhenry> huh.

    2:17AM � < RebelFraggle> But he is DEREK

    2:17AM � < schmacky> @ash… i think that’s all Derek did in S2 :P

    2:17AM � < apologeticDan> @nlynn I’m too low on the totem pole to get invited to cons, but someday when I create my own quirky show for the Starz network…

    2:17AM � < ashman01> as natalie chaidez wisely observed: “a man’s gotta fuck”

    2:18AM � < ashman01> that was the original title for “today is the day”. true story

    2:19AM � < jfhenry> someone on sarah connor society figured out an entire episode before it aired. can’t remember which one…

    2:19AM � < ashman01> I go to cons all the time. natalie wasn’t kidding in her blog. I asked for comic-con as a religious holiday

    2:19AM � < CIsaac> @jfhenry — It was RoxyB

    2:19AM � < ashman01> dan thomsen will tell you it was time well spent this year

    2:19AM � < jfhenry> right. that was it.

    2:20AM � < jfhenry> that’s why i hate spoilers

    2:20AM � < apologeticDan> Oh yeah, if any of you run into Ash at ComicCon… DO NOT LET HIM OUT OF YOUR SIGHT. You will have the most recklessly entertaining times ever.

    2:20AM � < ashman01> what with being pressed into service as an impromptu porn director at the wrath of con party

    2:20AM � < apologeticDan> Ash snuck me into that party, btw

    2:20AM � < CIsaac> @schmacky — Roxy’s our little savant. Action Figures to Drama plots, she does everything.

    2:20AM � < jfhenry> roxy wrote the anti-jameron rant, didn’t she?

    2:21AM � < RoxyB> heh – yeah that was me

    2:21AM � < jfhenry> someone sent that to me. that was genius. really. possibly my favorite thing written about the show.

    2:21AM � < schmacky> @josh.. i gotta ask and you probably won’t answer but… are you a Jameron? Really? lol

    2:22AM � <~astropixie> Just what is wrong with Jameron, huh? (Not that we even like to call it that…)

    2:22AM � < ashman01> roxy you do the action figures thing?

    2:23AM � < jfhenry> @schmacky: weirdly, I think I am. I say weirdly only because people ripped me up and down all year for ignoring the whole thing. But I think if you look at he eps I wrote they’re very jameron-y. I just think sometimes the show takes you in places you’re not expecting and you go there.

    2:23AM � < timt2318> hey, josh, ashman, dan – can you spill the beans about the Jordan storyline from season 1

    2:23AM � < ashman01> WHO?

    2:23AM � < schmacky> @josh lol oh no, you just went down a notch in my book… jk :P sorta..kinda.. hehe but i give ya props nonetheless

    2:24AM � < castellan_craft> @Ash, jordan was the girl that flung herself off the roof

    2:24AM � < cinebo> the one Cameron tried to give the tight present to =D

    2:24AM � < apologeticDan> Morris asked Jordan to the prom before he asked Cameron.

    2:24AM � < ashman01> oh yeah. her arc was more or less ballistic from the roof to the concrete

    2:24AM � < cinebo> i liked Morris

    2:24AM � < ashman01> any other questions?

    2:24AM � < persia> That kid was so cute. “just say yes”

    2:24AM � < ashman01> YOU SEE, FRIEDMAN? PEOPLE LIKE MORRIS

    2:25AM � < jfhenry> When David Nutter read the pilot script and he and I had dinner to decide if he was right for the show he pitched the whole thing as romeo and juliet.

    2:25AM � < Thecolours> Morris would have been cool if he was a gray.

    2:26AM � < apologeticDan> I can’t remember how much of Morris’s monologue about the scar he got stage diving at a Bjork concert made it to the airwaves, but I loved writing that.

    [insert two minutes of everyone comparing how late it is where they are.]

    2:28AM � < jfhenry> I believe that all of s2 comes out of John’s embarassment over realizing in ep1 that he might love Cameron

    2:28AM � < schmacky> I have a question… @josh @ash @dan… who’s your favorite character?

    2:29AM � <~astropixie> That is an excellent belief, Josh. Aelysian and I are going to die of shippy excitement now.

    2:29AM � < heroeswench> wow that is cool knowledge and shades things differently Josh

    2:29AM � < steel1x1> @jfhenry Well is josh said it.Its cannon.

    2:29AM � < ashman01> to be a ship, it has to run both ways

    2:30AM � <~astropixie> Oh. We can make it run both ways.

    2:30AM � < RebelFraggle> @Johs @ASh was the use of water a conscious metaphor or something that just sort of happened over time? Or am I reading too much into it?

    2:30AM � < apologeticDan> My favorite character was/is John. I’ve always identified the most with him and always been most inspired to think of creative ways to F up his life.

    2:30AM � < ashman01> use of water where?

    2:30AM � < kevinj> @Josh Dan Ash was Cameron serious about the whole “I love you” thing?

    2:30AM � <~astropixie> Lol Dan.

    2:30AM � < jfhenry> @kevinj that’s one I’ll never answer.

    2:31AM � < timt2318> that’s what makes him real apologeticdan – just a regular guy who want to do regular things

    2:31AM � < apologeticDan> Cromartie crashing John’s first date is kinda along those lines.

    2:31AM � < Thecolours> @ Josh,Dan, Ash. What was up with the baby moninter in Complications? Was there a hidden message being played?

    2:31AM � < Belial69699> @talli, so far from what Ive read Derek comes off as.. soft? I guess is the word. In the show hes a lil more of a hard @ss imo. Might want to give him a slight adjustment in attitude. but thats my opinion. I still think ur doing great =)

    2:32AM � < jfhenry> @the colours: w/o being coy I’d have to say that it is specific and for the life of me i can’t remember what it is.

    2:32AM � < ashman01> bella… he shot his best friend in the head and may have offed the mother of his child. exactly how hard would you like this man to be?

    2:32AM � < cinebo> OOOH can u tell us why Cameron’s eye was red in the finale but BLUE otherwise? =D

    2:32AM � < CIsaac> @Josh Ash Dan — random question, in episode 2×21 when the Kaliba guys zap Cameron with electricity + water, how’s she able to reboot quicker than the 120 second timer? Is that something that can be answered?

    2:33AM � < ashman01> oh yeah

    2:33AM � < talli> @Belia I haven’t really done anything with Derek (soft or hard–dirty?) I will soon though. Although I do think this Derek is different anyway, which is why I’ve avoided writing for him

    2:33AM � < ashman01> he one-armed a fucking 50 cal sniper rifle.

    2:34AM � < nlynn> @josh, Ash, Dan: In the basement, did Cameron torture Derek into giving up the resistance location?

    2:34AM � < jfhenry> no basement talk.

    2:34AM � < RebelFraggle> @ ASh Crap, I read too much into it, didn’t I? I just felt that water was very present from the FBI agents falling into the water at the end of season 1, and Cromartie chasing John off the dock, and the water men at the end of season 2. I just kept thinking that there was an underlying metaphor there, probably to do with the origin of life.

    2:34AM � < talli> @ash Bellia was referring to my Derek, not the show’s Derek

    2:35AM � < LucasZenHannon> Word. One issue, though: When you guys shoot scenes in the future, why do you have the actors act like the rifles have kickback? Aren’t they laser rifles?

    2:35AM � < cinebo> @JOSH @ASH can u say hwy Cameron’s eye was red instead of blue or is it a secret for later if there is a later?

    2:36AM � < jfhenry> cinebo: it’s red because at the core, she’s a terminator. plain and simple.

    2:36AM � < apologeticDan> I think plasma would have a little bit of kickback. It has mass. But I dunno.

    2:36AM � < RoxyB> Ah, so Cameron’s blue eye color was indicative of having been reprogrammed?

    2:37AM � < RoxyB> but then red when she was messed up?

    2:37AM � < schmacky> @Roxy… it was blue because Cameron likes that color. Her leather jacket shoulda been blue

    2:37AM � < castellan_craft> Maybe there was a filter in her eye between the red eye and the cornea?

    2:37AM � < morricone> RoxyB, maybe it’s red because of licensing issues with the T model from T3

    2:37AM � < jfhenry> the lens itself is red. there’d never be a reason to change the lens color.

    2:38AM � < ashman01> also

    2:38AM � < ashman01> red is awesome

    2:38AM � < ashman01> it flashed blue in season one.

    2:38AM � < jfhenry> I made it blue in the pilot to indicate she was different but that wasn’t to suggest the hardware was blue. no reason for it.

    2:38AM � < ashman01> you did not see her naked eye in season one

    2:38AM � < Leetmouse> @ash you said boobs were awesome….

    2:38AM � < ashman01> boobies are awesome

    2:39AM � < LucasZenHannon> Oh, I have a question. Coltan is supposed to be extremely heavy, right? It’s been shown in the films (and I think the show as well) that Terminators are hard to lift. Why doesn’t Cameron break beds and chairs w/ her heavy ass?

    2:39AM � < ashman01> terminators weigh what we weigh

    2:40AM � < Belial69699> @Lucas thought it was supposed to be extremely dense? not heavy

    2:40AM � < ashman01> tantalum is actually very light, like titanium

    2:40AM � < schmacky> LUcas@ T3 was stupid for making Terms so heavy.. how could they ever drive the cars if they were that heavy??

    2:40AM � < ashman01> or just put a fucking scale outside of every resistance base

    2:40AM � <~astropixie> So they just suck at swimming, then?

    2:40AM � < talli> @ash Didn’t Josh once say Cam weighs about 30% than a human girl her size?

    2:40AM � < ashman01> “john does my ass look fat?”

    2:41AM � < jfhenry> terminators weight hte same as human counterparts

    2:41AM � < ashman01> ‘it doesn’t look fat but you weigh the same as a fucking rhinocerous.”

    2:42AM � < apologeticDan> Okay, I’m fighting a cold so I’m going to read in bed until the Advil Cold & Sinus knocks me out.

    2:42AM � < ashman01> night dan

    2:42AM � < persia> Bye

    2:42AM � < antar> bye

    2:42AM � < LucasZenHannon> Cya, dan.

    2:42AM � < airofina> bye Dan =)

    2:42AM � < Leetmouse> cya dan

    2:42AM � <~astropixie> Bye Dan! Thanks for stopping by! And sorry we kicked you off!

    2:42AM � < apologeticDan> Enjoy rest of the weekend, all!

    2:42AM � < twistdmentality> hast luego

    2:42AM � < castellan_craft> Seeeeeeeeeya

    2:42AM � < LordByronX> night

    2:42AM � < nlynn> Night!

    2:42AM � < talli> Bye Dan!

    2:43AM � < apologeticDan> No worries, astro. Sorry about the lame handle.

    2:43AM � Drinkie

    2:43AM � < Thecolours> @Josh, Dan, Ash. How much are you doing to drink Monday night if SCC gets renewed?

    2:43AM � < ashman01> more than you might imagine

    [insert three minutes of talk of drunkenness and disliking a certain television network.]

    2:46AM � < ashman01> there is ZERO chance I’m drunk dialing kevin reilly

    2:47AM � < Thecolours> @Josh what other names did you have in mind for SCC as a show title?

    2:47AM � < CIsaac> @ashman01 — C’mon! We’d pay good money to hear that!

    2:47AM � < cinebo> no lets all spam Ausiello’s inbox lol

    2:47AM � < ashman01> i think james middleton came up with the title but I could be wrong

    2:47AM � < jfhenry> @colours: I inherited the title. and i’ve never liked it.

    2:49AM � Dollhouse and other things

    2:49AM � � < ashman01> i’m happy for dollhouse. I think we should support our fans, and joss is one of them

    2:49AM � � < LucasZenHannon> Writers: If there is one thing you wish to accomplish, one message you want to relay with TSCC, what would it be?

    2:50AM � < ashman01> lucas: never trust a fucking robot.

    2:50AM � < LucasZenHannon> oh, snap.

    2:50AM � < CIsaac> @ashman01 — Dude, that’s awesome.

    2:51AM � <~astropixie> Okay. Noted. Not trusting robots. Except Wall-E.

    2:57AM � The chatroom grew in size again. With fifty conversations going on at once, here are snippets.

    2:57AM �< LucasZenHannon> AHA, Question for writers again: Which character do you most connect with? Why?

    2:57AM � < ashman01> derek. because like him, I lived through the apocalypse and traveled back in time to kill my best friend.

    2:57AM � < jfhenry> i like writing all of them. but the most pure writer fun is any of the terminators.

    2:58AM � < ashman01> and in my heart of hearts… I <3 Murch

    2:59AM � < jfhenry> i forget about murch. i love writing murch.

    2:59AM � < CIsaac> Thou Shalt Not Say LG’s Name.

    3:01AM � < Thecolours> @ Josh Are you going to work on new pilot if SCC is a no go?

    3:02AM � < jfhenry> @thecolours:yes. a new pilot. probably write a movie, too. definitely a pilot.

    3:04AM � < kevinj> @Josh Ash will your next show be a scifi show or something else

    3:05AM � < jfhenry> @kevinj I love writing sf and while we may be experiencing a weird little golden age with the various genre shows that are out, most of them fail and it’s a tough sell. My agent practically hangs up on me if I use the word spaceship.

    3:06AM � < kevinj> @Josh too bad, you’ve a mind for it

    3:06AM � < CIsaac> @Josh — Never give up! Never surrender!

    3:06AM � < Leetmouse> @josh I have a story about a boy and his termina….. oh wait

    3:06AM � < jfhenry> that’s not to say I won’t write one, it’s just challenging for broadcast.

    3:06AM � < RebelFraggle> @Josh your writing is awesome and we will follow you whatever you decide to create in the future

    3:06AM � < The_GodfatherSJP> Is it me or are all the shows becoming the same except for Sci-Fi? It’s kinda depressing

    3:06AM � < talli> I feel like Ash might’ve passed out on his keyboard…

    3:06AM � < jfhenry> well ash is probably drunk.

    3:07AM � < jfhenry> this is the genius of lost. no one knew it saw syfy for three years.

    3:07AM � < jfhenry> and by syfy i mean scifi

    3:08AM � On Television and Books

    3:08 AM � < ashman01> I AM FINE

    3:08 AM � < ashman01> i am so awake you cant believe it

    3:08 AM � < jfhenry> episodic and focused on romance. and also a very un-sci fi idea: survivor!

    3:09AM � < kevinj> @Josh Ash do you watch much TV? Have a favorite show other than TSCC?

    3:10AM � < jfhenry> The Wire, Deadwood, The Office, Rescue Me, S1 of Dexter

    3:10AM � < ashman01> I loved dexter season 1 and 2

    3:10AM � < ashman01> heroes season 1

    3:10AM � < ashman01> i have an on-off love affair with lost

    3:10AM � < timt2318> season 3 of dexter kicked *ss

    3:11AM � < ashman01> i think the first 3 seasons of BSG were amazing

    3:11AM � < ashman01> I’m a huge trek fan

    3:11AM � < CIsaac> @Josh @Ash — Are there any scifi novels that influenced you or made you enjoy the genre? Anything from Asimov to Scalzi or someone in between?

    3:11AM � < jfhenry> I made the writers read Ender’s Game before S1.

    3:12AM � < LucasZenHannon> Why Ender’s Game, though? Any thematic points you wanted to mirror in the show?

    3:12AM � < The_GodfatherSJP> don’t get made at me everyone, including you Josh and Ashley, but I think BSG was better than TSCC

    3:12AM � < guest_073> wait wait…why enders game? it was good , but why?:P

    3:12AM � < SADGUY> how are the DVR Ratings of TSCC Season 2 ?

    3:13AM � < ashman01> our dvr numbers are insane

    3:13AM � < jfhenry> Difficult choices a leader must make, sacrifices of the personal for the sake of the whole, blah blah blah.

    3:13AM � < R> yay. happy. thanks ash for the info

    3:13AM � <~astropixie> Yeah, Godfather, we must have been watching different shows. With BSG you grew to despise every single character. With SCC you love them. I’m sorry, that’s a big difference in quality.

    3:14AM � < ashman01> for the record: he didn’t make me or zack read ender’s game, as we had already read it.

    3:14AM � < kevinj> @Josh read any heilein?

    3:15AM � < jfhenry> haven’t read much heinlein. love neal stephenson, dan simmons’s hyperion, vernor vinge fire upon the deep

    3:16AM � < guest_073> jfhenry : The Forever War is pretty appropriate for the terminator series

    3:16AM � < jfhenry> Love forever war.

    3:16AM � < castellan_craft> Ever heard of Neil Gaiman Josh?

    3:17AM � < jfhenry> i follow neil on twitter

    3:17AM � < ashman01> I love heinlein

    3:17AM � < kevinj> @Josh I really want to read Dan Simmon’s Ilium, Love Neil Stephenson, need to read Vernor Vinge too many books…

    3:17AM � < ashman01> the moon is a harsh mistress is amazing

    3:17AM � < ashman01> it makes me cry

    3:18AM � < starkiller> someone was talking about the moon is a harsh mistress being made into a movie

    3:19AM � < CIsaac> There’s rumors about Heinlein’s stuff all the time. But we usually get a ‘Starship Troopers’ abortion.

    3:20AM � < starkiller> @Ash the cat who walked through wallls

    3:20AM � < ashman01> i think job and cat who… are good reads, but they aren’t his best works

    3:20AM � < ashman01> i also second josh’s emotion about hyperion

    3:20AM � < ashman01> along those lines, a case for conscience

    3:20AM � < kevinj> Hyperion, yet another book I need to read

    3:21AM � < ashman01> which i wanna say is james blish

    3:21AM � < timt2318> anyone read lee child?

    3:21AM � < kevinj> @Ash Josh did either of you read the Terminator books?

    3:21AM � < ashman01> newp

    3:21AM � < persia> I need to get up on Scifi books, all I’ve read is Brave New World

    3:21AM � <~astropixie> I just cannot get into Hyperion. Forty pages in and I don’t give a shit.

    3:21AM � < jfhenry> I’ve read three or four lee childs but not for a while.

    3:21AM � < jfhenry> don’t read terminator books

    3:22AM � < jfhenry> don’t think about timelines. you’ll never finish your script.

    3:22AM � < ashman01> I did

    3:22AM � < RebelFraggle> @ashman you are awesome

    3:22AM � < ashman01> shades of toni graphia

    3:23AM � < ashman01> there are few pleasures in life greater than explaining time travel to toni.

    3:24AM � < persia> Do you worry when reading books that you will steal an idea?

    3:24AM � < jfhenry> @persia I hope I do

    3:26AM � < RebelFraggle> @jfhenry will we ever find out what happened to Danny Dyson?

    3:26AM � < jfhenry> if we get a season three.

    3:27AM � < persia> Hey when people send stuff to actors is it thrown out or they actually get it?

    3:27AM � < jfhenry> I don’t know fi they get it.

    3:28AM � < RebelFraggle> @Josh besides Summer, was the casting process difficult for TSCC? Did the studio not like anybody?

    3:29AM � < jfhenry> Summer wasn’t difficult to cast. Thomas was the hardest. People were very uptight about that role. thomas auditioned about a thousand times. But he was the best in every round of auditions. Never a doubt for me.

    3:29AM � < cinebo> oh god Thomas was PERFECT hands down

    3:29AM � < equustel> so much love for Thomas as John.

    3:29AM � There is talk of the usefulness of dogs in a post-Judgment Day world. Which culminates in:

    3:30AM � < ashman01> gknee: who the fuck eats their terminator detector?

    3:30AM � < ashman01> I’ll eat YOU before I eat the damn dog.

    3:30AM � < persia> Do you make actors cry while auditioning?

    3:30AM � < jfhenry> do you mean do i make them cry on purpose

    3:30AM � < ashman01> no, we save making them cry for after they’re cast

    3:31AM � < jfhenry> well it was hard to cast sarah for those reasons but it wasn’t hard once we found lena. the studio and network loved her so once we saw her it was great. the other two hundred auditions were kinda of tedious.

    3:32AM � < LucasZenHannon> You what we need? Ash and Josh as terminators.

    3:32AM � < jfhenry> i didn’t care if she was skinny or buff, i was interested in inner strength. we hired lena angelina jolie’s trainer from tomb raider and he worked her out hard and she just got leaner. so be it.

    3:33AM � < ashman01> “fuck away. I’m gonna die tomorrow.” THAT dialogue is going in a script.

    3:34AM � < ashman01> I don’t think it will mean what you think it means.

    3:34AM � < hero77> @Josh – opinion on T4′s PG13 rating ?

    3:35AM � < jfhenry> don’t know much about t4, rating or otherwise. looks cool, though.

    3:35AM � < ashman01> not my question but… PG-13 terminator movie? WTF? I’ve already blasted James Middleton on this question

    3:36AM � < cinebo> yeah but isnt pg13 today what R USED to be?

    3:36AM � < LucasZenHannon> @ash, I saw a special in which the director was explaining he didn’t need all that violence and gore to tell a story

    3:37AM � < morded> @Josh, I was wondering if the show does get canceled are you and the rest of the writers going to try and fight to get it renewed somewhere else like another network, or Direct to DVD?

    3:37AM � < morded> The reason I ask is what’s the point of the fans fighting to keep the show going if it’s only the fans that are going to be fighting to keep it going and not anyone else.

    3:36AM � 3:38AM � For the sake of coherency…a conversation about boobies took place, concluded by:

    3:38AM � < ashman01> but really at the end of the day, i think we can all agree… boobies are awesome. I’m pretty sure that even my unborn son will give me a hell yeah on that one.

    3:39AM � < newspeak3> @josh and ash : just wanted to say thanks for doing this

    3:39AM � < jfhenry> @morded: the point is, everyone does what they can for the shows they love. you guys have done all you can, and we’ve done all we can. we try to write the shit out of our show and hope we make ourselves undeniably present and accounted for.

    3:39AM � < ashman01> you’re welcome.

    3:39AM � <~astropixie> I cannot believe Ash and Josh are still here with us, hours later. Thank you so much for dropping by.

    3:40AM � < RoxyB> Josh and Ash are awesome

    3:40AM � < equustel> @Josh, you have, and thank you for that.

    3:40AM � < cinebo> Ash and Josh you guys rock more than you’ll ever know sirs!!

    3:40AM � < stark74> writers: whose idea was that using ” Richard Steven hack ” ‘s name on the episode?

    3:40AM � <~aelysian> Thank you. Both. So much. This was fucking awesome and pretty much my cardio for the week.

    3:40AM � < airofina> yes, thank you Josh and Ash. you guys are so fucking awesome! =D

    3:40AM � < ashman01> that was zack

    3:40AM � < ashman01> and for the record, I had no idea what he was doing when he did it

    3:41AM � < ashman01> and had I known (or had Josh known, I suspect) it wouldn’t have happened.

    3:41AM � < CIsaac> @Josh — You definitely wrote the shit out of this show and no matter what, you guys should know we think you’re awesome and appreciate everything and getting all this time with your awesome writing and characters.

    3:41AM � < jfhenry> on that not people…I have to leave now. The wife and dog can’t sleep until I’ve taken at least one of them out into the yard. Please know that I appreciate everything y’all have done. No matter what happens be proud of yourselves. And don’t stop fighting for the shows you love. Good night.

    3:42AM � < cinebo> THANKS SO MUCH JOSH good night!!

    3:42AM � < jessicatron> night josh :)

    3:42AM � < LucasZenHannon> Daw.

    3:42AM � < twistdmentality> Thanks for stopping by. It’s much appreciated.

    3:42AM � < CIsaac> Good night, Josh!

    3:42AM � < stevenlu> good night, many thanks for the show ash and josh

    3:42AM � < ashman01> night boss.

    3:42AM � < LucasZenHannon> *cries*

    3:42AM � < SADGUY> good night josh, thanks

    3:42AM � < castellan_craft> Good night. :D

    3:42AM � < morricone> gn8

    3:42AM � < talli> @Josh good night and thanks!

    3:42AM � < persia> Thank you for your time

    3:42AM � <~aelysian> Much love. Thanks!

    3:42AM � < timt2318> thanks for stopping by josh

    3:42AM � < RoxyB> good night!

    3:42AM � < rjmatz> night josh, thanks much

    3:42AM � < airofina> bye Josh, thank you SO MUCH for stopping by =D

    3:42AM � < equustel> ‘Night, Josh! THANK YOU.

    3:42AM � < LucasZenHannon> Goodnight, sweet prince.

    3:42AM � < Belial69699> Take care Josh

    3:42AM � < kevinj> Thanks Josh and goodnight!

    3:42AM � This trend of goodnights and thank yous continues.

    3:43AM � On That Dude From That Place That We Don�t Like

    3:43AM � < ashman01> so on the richard hack thing… fun that he ended up dead, but I personally make it a rule to only name characters after people I like

    3:43AM �< ashman01> you get so few opportunities, why waste them on people you don’t want to immortalize?

    3:44AM � < ashman01> fun trivia fact

    3:44AM �< ashman01> the picture associated with richard hack… was me.

    3:44AM �< timt2318> so, what’s the deal with this richard hack dude? psycho? i googled him and am going through the results

    3:45AM � < CIsaac> @Ash – That’s really, really unfortunate.

    3:45AM � < ashman01> on the monitor. three photos pop up. the first is me

    3:45AM � < talli> @timt He’s a “fan” who hates the show

    3:47AM � Username Mangling. It happens to all of us.

    3:47AM � < JH> we loves the ass man

    3:47AM � < persia> @ASHMAN are you going to Comic Con as a fan?

    3:47AM � < persia> or for TSCC?

    3:47AM � < ashman01> the uh… ass man?

    3:47AM � < timt2318> what made you josh and dan decide to stop in on the chat?

    3:48AM � < ashman01> persia i go every year

    3:48AM � < kevinj> @ Ash will you be writing for any other shows in the near future or are you exclusively TSCC

    3:48AM � < timt2318> now ashman is the ass man, new profession. he’ll like proctology

    3:48AM � < ashman01> kevin that is a complicated question. I will answer it on monday.

    3:48AM � < ashman01> but

    3:48AM � < cinebo> ass man?? what i miss?

    3:48AM � < ashman01> I will say that zack and I are working on a movie/backdoor pilot for cartoon network

    3:49AM � < ashman01> and we’re writing a very major motion picture that I can’t talk about.

    3:49AM �< kevinj> @Ash really? I will be looking for it

    3:49AM �< ashman01> very, very major

    3:49AM �< hero77> green lantern

    3:49AM � < ashman01> nope

    3:49AM � < hero77> with bag

    3:49AM � < ashman01> I would love to write GL for BAG, but that’s not happening atm

    3:49AM � < Another_french_fan> Don’t forget we love TSCC and Terminator around here

    3:50AM � < Zable> Uhm, what’s a backdoor pilot?

    3:50AM � < ashman01> hi french fan, thanks for dropping in

    3:50AM � < ashman01> its basically a TV movie and if it does well they’ll order a series

    3:50AM � < ashman01> it’s the kind of thing where we’d just write it and then go off and do other things, but consult.

    3:51AM � < rjmatz> @ash is it for adult swim or a normal for kids cartoon?

    3:51AM � < ashman01> wtf is with people calling me ass man?

    3:52AM � < newspeak3> @ash i guess they’re bad spellers

    3:52AM � < ashman01> it’s live action actually

    3:52AM � < ashman01> hey here’s a fun fact

    3:52AM � < ashman01> yuri lowenthal who played sonarman garvin in the 2-parter is the voice of superman on legion of superheroes. he’s also Ben 10 and Naruto,

    3:53AM � < RoxyB> Okay, so with Josh gone, Ash can now tell us everything about the plan for s3, right Ash?

    3:53AM � < ashman01> we went to college together. same freshman hall.

    3:53AM �< RebelFraggle> @ash, so he would have all the dirt on you then?

    3:53AM � < ashman01> I’m not gonna tell you anything about s3 =)

    3:53AM � < ashman01> oh yeah

    3:54AM � < CIsaac> @RoxyB – DENIED

    3:54AM � < RoxyB> it was worth a shot

    3:54AM � < ashman01> ask him about the time we went to see V for Vendetta on my birthday

    3:54AM �< guest_046> Ashley, do you and Zack write head to head (in a room together) or do you divide the work and write separately? I’m always curious how writing with a partner works.

    3:54AM � < ashman01> every partnership works differently. we plan together, write alone.

    3:54AM �< guest_395> what’s the feynman chronicles?

    3:55AM � < persia> How do you know what to writeor you each write a whole episode and crop it together?

    3:55AM � < ashman01> the feynman chronicles is a spec feature we wrote more or less on a dare that ended up selling to disney.

    3:56AM � < ashman01> persia, we split the baby and then put it back together. not always the same scheme for dividing things up

    3:56AM � < ashman01> sometimes it’s by act or group of acts, sometimes by a-b-c story

    3:57AM � < timt2318> is it hard getting into the writing business, ashman?

    3:57AM � < ashman01> we have very similar voices. and we do several polishes to sync things up

    3:57AM � < ashman01> timt: first, thank you for not calling me ass man.

    3:58AM � < timt2318> it was hard, but i didnt

    3:58AM � < ashman01> timt: it’s very hard, but I’m not the guy to ask. I fell out of the sky with a job on andromeda.

    3:58AM �< persia> Have you ever had an idea that you loved and someone else totally hated?

    3:58AM � < ashman01> I THINK YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE, ASS-MAN CALLERS.

    3:58AM �< timt2318> lol, so that was your first writing gig?

    3:59AM � < ashman01> yes timt

    3:59AM �< honestyy> ashman, was it always somehing you wanted to do?

    3:59AM �<~astropixie> And we heart you very much for falling out of the sky with Andromeda.

    3:59AM � < ashman01> yes. it’s what i always wanted to do.

    3:59AM � < ashman01> persia, I feel as though I have those ideas all the time

    4:00AM � < ashman01> or I have ideas that people think are crazy and I must beat them into agreeing with me.

    4:00AM � < ashman01> e.g., the structure of “Mister Ferguson is Ill Today”

    4:01AM � < R> that ep was awesome

    4:01AM � < persia> Oh man and that was an awesome episode

    4:01AM � < newspeak3> @ashman do you have a fav episode?

    4:01AM � < CIsaac> Mr. Ferguson was amazing

    4:01AM � < JH> ep awesome yes

    4:01AM � < ml805> great episode

    4:01AM � < ashman01> dan did a wonderful job with it. but we had to create a whole new method of breaking story just to get it on the board.

    4:03AM � Playing with the minds of fans is fun!

    4:03AM � < ashman01> you guys didn’t get to see my two favorite parts

    4:04AM � < Zokreb> I believe this question has been discussed a million times but : Do we have an idea (explanation) why there has been gossip around the renewal of “chuck”, the renewal of “dollhouse” for some weeks now. we also know for sure which are the new shows that FOX picked up (or dropped) for 2009/2010. But no gossip at all concerning tscc ? I mean, nothing ?

    4:04AM � < cinebo> got i would LOVE to see behind the scenes stuff of the writers room

    4:04AM � < ashman01> first: for budget reasons, we had to cut a lot of cromartie’s attack on the police station. he was supposed to be stymied by the police, say “I’ll be back” in spanish, and then drive his car through the wall.

    4:05AM � < ashman01> zok i wish i knew

    4:05AM �< castellan_craft> OMG that is a tragic loss of a scene

    4:05AM �< CIsaac> That would have been amazing.

    4:05AM � < ashman01> second: the dog’s story.

    4:05AM �< timt2318> the dog?

    4:05AM �< cinebo> lol

    4:05AM �< R> dog’s story. lol.

    4:05AM � < ashman01> there was supposed to be a story from a dog’s POV on the street.

    4:05AM �<~astropixie> Aww that would have been adorable

    4:05AM �< timt2318> are you serious?

    4:05AM � < ashman01> and it was AMAZING

    4:06AM � < timt2318> you’re bullsh*tting

    4:06AM � < ashman01> everyone who heard it simply flipped out.

    4:06AM � < guest_046> Aw, I mourn the loss of the dog’s story.

    4:06AM � < ashman01> I’m not

    4:06AM � < ashman01> you were supposed to see the dog with derek and cameron. think nothing of it. then see the dog’s story at the very, very end.

    4:06AM � < guest_138> wouldn’t the dog be constantly barking at cameron?

    4:07AM � < ashman01> well… the curious thing about the dog in the nighttime…

    4:07AM � < timt2318> dog in the nighttime? pray tell

    4:07AM � < RebelFraggle> I want that part of the script with the dog. We can make crude flash versions for youtube

    4:07AM � < ashman01> if you know your sherlock holmes, you’ll understand everything

    4:08AM � < persia> the hound of the baskerville??

    4:08AM � < ashman01> the curious incident of the dog in the night time…

    4:09AM � < ashman01> now i’m having way too much fun fucking with you.

    4:09AM � < timt2318> f*ck

    4:09AM � < airofina> loll

    4:10AM � < timt2318> i knew you were bullsh*tting about the dog

    4:10AM � <~astropixie> Better to be fucked with by Ash than anyone else, I guess

    4:10AM � < ashman01> what makes me laugh most about fans (in answer to your question) is how eagerly you jump on the tiniest things and explode these huge implications from throwaway lines or shots.

    4:10AM � < ashman01> and btw… it’s awesome

    4:10AM � < CIsaac> Like c-section scars!

    4:10AM � < twistdmentality> we like to see things through

    4:11AM � < ashman01> because I’m a fan, too. I know I’ve been guilty of it.

    4:11AM �< hero77> like the damn basement scene

    4:11AM �< cinebo> ASHMAN that;s because we’re GEEKS! lol

    4:11AM �< CIsaac> Yes, we want to know what happened in the basement so ad.

    4:11AM �< CIsaac> bad, even

    4:12AM � < ashman01> I’d love to tell you that story. but if there’s a season 3, maybe we will.

    4:12AM �< morricone> @ash can you actually be a fan of your own show? and how many times did you watch the episodes?

    4:14AM � < ashman01> I consider myself a fan of the show, because I’m a fan of the franchise. If that’s not obvious from the white house lawn full of easter eggs strewn across our episodes… I don’t know what else to tell you

    4:15AM � < stevenlu> @ash, was there any particular reason as to why there was a huge gap between the basement scene and cameron confirming what happened?

    4:15AM � < ashman01> steven because you wait for the right moment to tell the story or go back to it

    4:16AM � < ashman01> for example… look how we waited forever to have sarah and derek come to terms with the Big Lie about what happened to Kyle and his relationship to John

    4:16AM � < ashman01> and it happened purely by accident, and neither of them wanted to discuss it.

    4:16AM � < ashman01> which felt real and not overblown

    4:16AM � < CIsaac> And Derek died right after.

    4:16AM � < RoxyB> that was awesome

    4:16AM � < CIsaac> Ouch.

    4:17AM – The End

    4:17AM � < ashman01> ok guys. I’

    4:17AM � < ashman01> I will take one or two more Q’s then its bed time

    4:17AM �< RoxyB> @Ash – Is there a reason why the starting point of all the future stuff has been 2027 instead of 2029?

    4:17AM � < ashman01> yes.

    4:17AM �< RoxyB> cool

    4:17AM �< RoxyB> :)

    4:17AM �< RebelFraggle> Thank you for joining us. You rock and we will be following you on twitter. Congrats to you and the misses!

    4:17AM �< persia> Oh bye Thank you so much for your time and answers

    4:17AM � < ashman01> lol i didnt mean for that to be the question

    4:18AM � < ashman01> but you’re very welcome.

    4:18AM �< starkiller> so what was the reason>

    4:18AM �< airofina> thank you Ash for taking the time to talk with all of us! and thank you for this AMAZING show! =D

    4:18AM � < ashman01> the reason is yes.

    4:18AM � < MattLive> @Ashman01 Thanks Ash just dropped in, plenty of interesting stuff has been said. Will be reading the logs. Good night.

    4:18AM �< castellan_craft> You rock ash

    4:18AM �< steel1x1> Thank You Ash!

    4:18AM �< antar> tnx for the chat, ash… ‘Night!

    4:18AM �< RoxyB> Ash, you rock. Hope you get to keep on rocking the show for us

    4:18AM �< rjmatz> thanks much ash

    4:18AM �<~aelysian> Thank you. So much.

    4:18AM �< guest_138> Thanks, ash.

    4:18AM � < ashman01> good night guys. and no matter what happens on monday…

    4:18AM �< twistdmentality> Thanks for this.

    4:19AM � < ashman01> THANK YOU. Your efforts have been truly moving.

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    10:00PM – 11:26PM – Chatroom members watch Born to Run at FOX On Demand and begin watching Ourselves Alone.

    11:26PM EST � jfhenry has joined #savethescc

    11:26PM � 11:36PM � We discuss Ourselves Alone, Josh Friedman�s iron grip on spoilers, FutureJohn/Cameron and plumpynut.

    11:36 PM – < jfhenry> I just want to say that you guys doing this on a saturday night when the show isn’t even on warms my spoiler-hating heart.

    11:36PM – 11:38PM � We ignore jfhenry because we are cynical people that get a lot of strange visitors and discuss the Jesse/Riley fight instead.

    11:38PM � < JH> im the real JH

    11:38PM � < jfhenry> @JH I’m the real JF

    11:38PM � 11:40PM � We continue to ignore jfhenry

    11:40PM � < jfhenry> You can be him, JH, but I wrote him.

    11:40PM � We persist in ignoring jfhenry and talk about bleached skulls, Clorox and how fireworks = Judgment Day. And then things get interesting.

    11:41PM � < jfhenry> I wouldn’t say it was easy. it took us all day to shoot the scene

    11:41PM � < R> jfhenry. Hahaahaha

    11:42PM � < timt2318> well, if friedman had gotten his way riley wouldnt have been introduced until the 7th or 8th ep

    11:42PM � < R> what is ur job on tscc?

    11:42PM � < jfhenry> but I made the most of it didn’t I, timt2318?

    11:42PM � < timt2318> what, jfhenry?

    11:42PM � < timt2318> most of what

    11:42PM � < cinebo> god i hated jesse after this ep

    11:42PM � < jfhenry> riley intro’d in ep 2.

    11:43PM � < RoxyB> Riley was okay at the beginning – kinda fun, but she got dull

    11:43PM � < R> beat her up!

    11:43PM � < beyondmany> dang….

    11:43PM � < timt2318> yep, why you say you made the most of it

    11:43PM � < R> aaaand shes dead

    11:43PM � < timt2318> are you josh friedman….

    11:43PM � < jfhenry> i am

    11:43PM � 11:46PM � That chatroom continues to ignore, the mods start thinking �oh no, here we go, another weirdo� and the chat turns to John/Cameron and the pocket watch killswitch.

    11:46PM � < jfhenry> @timt thought I’d come by and say thanks to everyone.

    11:46PM � < timt2318> thanks for what, jfhenry

    11:46PM � < jfhenry> for supporting my show

    11:46PM � What are the rest of us doing? Still talking about Ourselves Alone

    11:47PM � < timt2318> ah. well if you are josh friedman why dont you convice fox to renew it tomorrow

    11:47PM � < jfhenry> i am josh friedman and I can’t even convince you I am.

    11:47PM � < aelysian> I am God and I can’t even convince you I am.

    11:47PM � < RoxyB> Yeah and I’m Lena Headey

    11:47PM � < cinebo> hey i’ll believe it

    11:47PM � < JH> then why is ur name henry?

    11:48PM � < timt2318> becasue were on a chat

    11:48PM � < R> and i’m thomas dekker

    11:48PM � < astropixie> I’m Summer Glau

    11:48PM � < RoxyB> Damn – so it’s just all us show people in here. Where the hell are the fans?!

    11:48PM � 11:51PM � the conversation continues on this trend until…

    11:51PM � < jfhenry> send an email on my public email. ——-@gmail.com. I’ll respond on this chat.

    11:51PM � < cinebo> LOL

    11:51PM � < persia> do it cinebo

    11:51PM � < starkiller> if its really him he should tweet something now

    11:51PM � < R> starkiller good idea

    11:51PM � < persia> sen an email

    11:51PM � < timt2318> even better, post what you’re doing right now on twitter

    11:51PM � < R> jh if it’s really u tweet a hello for us here

    11:51PM � < R> *jf

    11:51PM � < astropixie> Yes, tweet for us

    11:51PM � < RoxyB> YEAH!

    11:52PM � < jfhenry> done (Note: You can find his tweet here.)

    11:52PM � < aelysian> Well this is getting interesting.

    11:52PM � < persia> No Fucking WAY!!!

    11:52PM � < persia> It really is

    11:52PM � < astropixie> Dude, we were so close to blocking you

    11:52PM � < RoxyB> OMFG

    11:52PM � < astropixie> Just so you know

    11:52PM � < twistdmentality> Holy crap

    11:52PM � < cinebo> holy sh*t

    11:52PM � < RoxyB> Coolness

    11:52PM � < drek> OMG

    11:52PM � < R> omg

    11:52PM � < cinebo> NIIIIICE!

    11:52PM � < R> we love uuuuuu

    11:52PM � < jfhenry> well that would’ve been ironic

    11:52PM � < persia> Breathe!!!

    11:52PM � < timt2318> holy shit

    11:52PM � < drek> we love you

    11:52PM � < starkiller> OMG

    11:52PM � < drek> JF!

    11:53PM � < aelysian> Someone grab me a defibrillator.

    11:53PM � < timt2318> josh f*cking friedman

    11:53PM � < jfhenry> like I said, I appreciate the dedication. so i stopped by.

    11:53PM � < drek> hahah

    11:53PM � < twistdmentality> sonofabitch, my heart is pounding

    11:53PM � < aelysian> Dear god. We almost kicked him out.

    11:53PM � < cinebo> yeah the hell with coffe lol

    11:53PM � < timt2318> dude, this is awesome – fan interaction

    11:53PM � < twistdmentality> this is like epic geekery happening right now

    11:54PM � The chatroom seems to find its senses. Sort of.

    11:54PM � < timt2318> Josh, is there anything fans can do to help ensure a season 3

    11:54PM � < jfhenry> You’ve done all you can do re S3. Whatever happens, happens.

    11:54PM � < cinebo> man either way Josh thanks so much for everything…it’s been awesome!

    11:55PM � < jfhenry> If you guys would’ve blocked me it would’ve been awesome. It would’ve given me something to tweet about

    11:55PM � < astropixie> So, is there anything else we should be doing before Monday?

    11:55PM � < timt2318> josh, have you thought about a fan funded season 3?

    11:55PM � < R> jf ur so cool for showing up here. how did u hear about this viewing party?

    11:55PM � < aelysian> This mod is about to fall over and *die*

    11:55PM � < persia> I’m so glad I didn’t go to bed

    11:56PM � < cinebo> right?

    11:56PM � < twistdmentality> Stay alive! Enjoy the moment

    11:56PM � < astropixie> This mod feels like the biggest frakking tool

    11:56PM � < m_33> who needs to go to bed…. sunrises here.

    11:56PM � < RoxyB> Ausiello would’ve had a breaking news story “TSCC FANS REJECT SHOWRUNNER ON EVE OF DECISION”

    11:56PM � < JH> everyone say thank you to the mods for puttin up with us

    11:56PM � < cinebo> LOL

    11:56PM � < drek> lol roxy

    11:56PM � < drek> yeah thanks mods

    11:56PM � < jfhenry> cristina moreno tweeted about it

    11:56PM � < drek> thanks JF for showing up!

    11:56PM � < cinebo> Yes definitely Josh thanks so much for showing up!!

    11:56PM � < aelysian> While oxygen is still in my bloodstream…thank you so, so much. For simply everything.

    11:56PM � < jfhenry> thanks to all of you for caring so much

    11:56PM � 11:58PM � The chatroom cheers for Josh. It�s very geeky and does not require reproduction here.

    11:58PM � < drek> Josh what do you think about the dollhouse pickup?

    11:59PM � < jfhenry> @drek Happy for them. 20th owns the show so it’s a different calculus than SCc

    11:59PM � < timt2318> could TSCC be picked up by the CW if fox stupidly passes

    11:59PM � < drek> or Sci-Fi even

    12:00AM � < jfhenry> @timt doubt it. CW doesn’t have the cash to make the show

    12:00AM � < jfhenry> you mean SyFy

    12:00AM � The number of users in the chatroom is steadily rising and the topic of fansites comes up.

    12:01AM � < R> the blog run by the writers is the best

    12:02AM � < jfhenry> hadley does a great job

    12:02AM � ashman01 has joined #savethescc

    12:03AM � < ashman01> Let me guess, jfhenry is friedman

    12:03AM � < jfhenry> hey buddy

    12:04AM � the topic of twinkies comes up.

    12:04AM � < jfhenry> Ash and the writes made me a cake out of twinkies and ding dongs for my birthday. the awesomeest

    12:05AM � < ashman01> it was more awesome than awesome.

    12:05AM � < R> JF any plans for another golden apple visit for s2 dvd?

    12:05AM � < jfhenry> @RI’m up for it if someone organizes it. if we don’t have a show it’ll be dubious

    12:07AM � on the mods� near failure and plot points.

    12:07AM � < jfhenry> they almost kicked me out ash

    12:07AM � < ashman01> I heard. I was quite amused. story breaks would have been much different if we’d had that power irl.

    12:07AM � < ashman01> e.g., I’m quite certain Sarah would have been reunited with her father during a bank heist.

    12:07AM � < jfhenry> No shit Ash. No shit.

    12:07AM � < ashman01> for the record, I would have voted no.

    12:07AM � < jfhenry> Easy to say now. but I believe you, ash.

    12:10AM � on Shirley Manson, Toni Graphia and �Donald Where�s Your Trousers?�

    12:10AM � < phikappa> Hey JF, in her appearance on Craig Ferguson, Shirley Manson said she was out of the job. She scared me.

    12:10AM � < jfhenry> well, she’s not getting paid currently. so, technically. she is out of a job.

    12:10AM � < RoxyB> Shirley Manson is always hilarious on Craig Ferguson

    12:10AM � < ashman01> what she meant was that Garbage told her they wanted a new lead singer.

    12:11AM � < jfhenry> they’re making a transcript, ash.

    12:11AM � < ashman01> oops

    12:11AM � < thisyearsgirl> hahha yeah garbage wants ashlee simpson to join now. no more shirley

    12:11AM � < ashman01> i’m not saying fuck nearly enough.

    12:11AM � < astropixie> Don’t make us kick you off, ash. Profanity is against the rules.

    12:12AM � < ashman01> shit. seriously?

    12:12AM � < astropixie> Fuck no, not right now

    12:12AM � < phikappa> I want to hear Shirley seen Donald Where’s Your Trousers. Seriously, how did y’all choose that song to use?

    12:12AM � < jfhenry> ash and I are the biggest users of the word fuck that I know.

    12:13AM � < jfhenry> toni graphia found that song.

    12:13AM � < aelysian> Maybe it’s bad to fangirl someone when someone who knows them is right there, but…Toni Graphia is much loved by us Cameron fans. MUCH LOVED.

    12:13AM � < phikappa> It was so out of place, but so creepy. And it’s a fucking drinking song.

    12:13AM � < astropixie> We heart Toni Graphia

    12:13AM � < twistdmentality> Toni Graphia is fucking awesome

    12:14AM � < jfhenry> yeah I made them sing it like a dirge.

    12:14AM � < heroeswench> No matter what happens I want to say thanks to both of you guys for such a great series. I have never fought this hard for a show before and it is cause of the greatness you guys have written along with everyone else who writes for the show.

    12:14AM � < jfhenry> we appreciate it.

    12:15AM � < ashman01> thank josh. we’d be knee deep in long lost relatives and terminators of the week without him.

    12:15AM � < ashman01> ok, so maybe there are a COUPLE long lost relatives

    12:15AM � < ashman01> at least one. maybe two.

    12:15AM � < ashman01> ok… three. but three, tops.

    12:17AM � On The Much Anticipated/Dreaded Monday

    12:17AM � < astropixie> So we’re still calling, emailing, and emailing advertisers…can you guys suggest anything else that we could be doing before Monday?

    12:17AM � < jfhenry> get on your knees and pray.

    12:17AM � < ashman01> oh, bash away. trust us, we’re pros. we’re pretty good at bashing back.

    12:17AM � 12:20AM � The chatroom frets about Monday, Dollhouse, and the all consuming need for Season Three.

    12:20AM � < jfhenry> Usually I’ve got eighteen Summer questions by now. Don’t start.

    12:20AM � < ashman01> josh… did you see the video that jweggers posted on youtube? did everyone see that?

    12:20AM � < usagiko> omg it was great

    12:20AM � < cinebo> yes ashman

    12:20AM � < gregsky> yes, it’s niice

    12:20AM � < drek> Yeah JF did you see the video we made “i am sarah connor” and “We are the resistance”

    12:21AM � < GKnee77> yes ash GREAT vid he did

    12:21AM � < Paty> BRASIL LOVES TSCC

    12:21AM � < cinebo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAJJxqeNMjE

    12:21AM � < timepassedyouby> If you’re talking about that trailer for the show, I saw it and LOVED it.

    12:21AM � < jfhenry> I did see the vids. thanks. they’re great.

    12:20AM � 12:24AM � The chatroom is suddenly flooded with people and coherent conversation is near impossible. Snippets of evidence below…

    12:24AM � < jfhenry> I usually just cruise around the net making sure Ash and Zack aren’t spoiling things.

    12:24AM � < persia> @ JOSH FRIEDMAN is this like the worst fan convention you’ve ever been too?

    12:24AM � < prepschoolrapist> Hey Ash. Twitter told me to do this.

    12:24AM � < ashman01> the skynext podcasts are awesome.

    12:24AM � < heroeswench> LOL. Ash and Zack behave pretty well.

    12:24AM � < jfhenry> I know but they’re fun to tease.

    12:25AM � < rafabra> Brazilians love the TSCC

    12:26AM � < schmacky> holy hell there’s a lot of people in here!

    12:26AM � < kevinj> this is slow, 10th wonder had 300 people in theirs

    12:26AM � < ashman01> maybe they did have 300 people, but did they have 300 awesome people? I think not.

    12:27AM � < heroeswench> So, if Fox disappoints us, are there hopes for other outlets Josh? Where do we start?

    12:28AM � < jfhenry> If Fox says no I think we’re done. I know no one wants to hear that, but zI think that’s the case.

    12:28AM � < astropixie> Good question, heroes. What should we do if the news on Monday is bad?

    12:28AM � < thisyearsgirl> I think if TSCC gets canceled it should infiltrate Scrubs and take over that show entirely. And Melrose Place. And 90210.

    12:28AM � < Bleek> Just want to say: Save The Chronicles!

    12:28AM � < ashman01> right now I’m testing out a strategy of feigning disinterest

    12:28AM � < usagiko> What’s the chance of another network picking us up if we get canceled?

    12:28AM � < prepschoolrapist> I hear Starz is a lovely place to work

    12:29AM � < ashman01> here’s what you do if the show doesn’t get a pick up. be glad you had 31 episodes you really enjoyed, and that it left you wanting more.

    12:29AM � < kevinj> @Josh, thank you for a GREAT show, and I think FOX will give you another seasojn

    12:29AM � 12:30AM � Talk descends into the land of how to Save Sarah Connor and turns to the Dollhouse pickup.

    12:30AM � < jfhenry> No reason to focus on Dollhouse. Any show picked up is one spot less. Be happy if Fox supports any quirky SF. No one else does right now.

    12:30AM � < thisyearsgirl> Because Fox only has a limited number of shows they can pick up. Dollhouse and TSCC both got not great ratings. I wouldnt think theyd pick up two shows with not good ratings.

    12:30AM � < prepschoolrapist> My dinner tonight was turkey lunch meat wrapped around a cheddarjack cheese stick and some teajava and it made me think of Josh Friedman.

    12:31AM � < persia> @JOSH FRIEDMAN what is a question you are sick of hearing?

    12:32AM � < jfhenry> @persia, well, if we don’t get picked up Monday i figure no one’ll ask me another question for the resst of my life. So why complain?

    12:33AM � < thisyearsgirl> Dollhouse got a lot better after the first few episodes. It’s going to be a good show. But DH and TSCC together were a great night, IMO

    12:33AM � < cinebo> @JOSH FRIEDMAN nah man you’re a genius for creating TSCC, we’ll watch anything you make dude

    12:33AM � < ashman01> technically, we ended on an up trend. DH ended down, more or less falling off a cliff with the Prison Break lead-in. We can empathize.

    12:34AM � < jfhenry> The show cost 2.7 the first year, and avg’d out below 3 mill the second year. about the same or a little less than dirty sexy money, pushing daises, the like.

    12:34AM � < cinebo> @ASHMAN – wow is this what your twitter looks like every day dude?

    12:34AM – prepschoolrapist was kicked from #savethescc by aelysian [aelysian]. Yes. We kicked out Dan Thomsen. In our defence, we didn�t know it was him.

    12:34AM � < ashman01> more or less cinebo

    12:35AM � < ashman01> except I say fuck a lot more on twitter.

    12:36AM � < ggmarie1234> @josh and ash…i just wanted to give you props for casting jj as kyle…i’d never seen T:SCC or any of the terminator movies until you cast him and i just luuuv him. and now i am totally, totally sucked into the fandom. *hugs terminator in all its incarnations*

    12:36AM � < LordByronX> does warner/sony anyone help w/ the bills since the movie?

    12:36AM � < jfhenry> @lordbyron No.

    12:36AM � < ashman01> I’ll tell you what… we had a lot of really great writers on TSCC. But you know who really sucked, Josh? Dan Thomsen.

    12:36AM � < ashman01> Dan Thomsen blows dead bears.

    12:37AM � < jfhenry> Did he just show up in here?

    12:37AM � < ashman01> he may have, Josh. He may have.

    12:38AM � < jfhenry> is he the one to drunk to type?

    12:38AM � 12:39AM � Inebriation is discussed, which morphs into discussion about what Monday will hold for everyone.

    12:39AM � < jfhenry> I’ll be at therapist at 8am, deli for lox and eggs with john wirth at 930. Home by eleven working on a spec.

    12:40AM � Documenting aelysian�s brilliance and getting the backstory.

    12:40AM � < ashman01> who kicked prepschoolrapist?

    12:40AM � < apologeticDan> Ash, I’m back

    12:40AM � < ashman01> lol

    12:40AM � < apologeticDan> apparently the kick didn’t block my IP

    12:40AM � < apologeticDan> yay

    12:40AM � < ashman01> nice

    12:41AM � <astropixie> For the record, aelysian did.

    12:41AM � < ashman01> the unfortunately named aforementioned prepschoolrapist is in actuality young Dan Thomsen.

    12:41AM � < ashman01> cute, ain’t he?

    12:41AM � < jfhenry> oh. I didn’t look at the name. that’s what I said dan looked like when I met him.

    12:41AM � < phikappa> Dan Thomsen is a prepschool rapist?

    12:41AM � < apologeticDan> I think it was the combination of my green font and my nonsequitor references to Josh’s preferred foods during the season

    12:41AM � < ashman01> lol josh

    12:41AM � 12:44AM � We realize how freaking lucky we are.

    12:43AM � < cinebo> yeah it’s cool to just talk to you guys like it’s no big deal….

    12:43AM � < ashman01> well, we appreciate every crazy thing you crazy fuckers have done to show the love.

    12:44AM � < ggmarie1234> ash, dan, josh, will u guys know before us on monday? or do find out when fox announces it, like us minions?

    12:44AM � <~astropixie> Hee. We’re crazy fuckers.

    12:44AM � < phikappa> JH, that makes you more interesting. You’re just like us only you are the geniuses behind TSCC. Your celebrities that aren’t arrogant.

    12:44AM � < GKnee77> @Ash I already explained you and Josh are like Jesus to us fans, remember Josh and Jesus fighting crime together

    12:44AM � < ashman01> now there’s a name for a fan movement, am I right?

    12:44AM � < usagiko> @ashman: oh yes

    12:44AM � < jfhenry> There is no plan for Monday. I know that seems bizarre. But I figure someone’ll find me if they need me.

    12:44AM � < ashman01> Trekkies. Browncoats. Crazy Fuckers.

    12:45AM � <astropixie> We’re the Resistance, bitches.

    12:45AM � < timt2318> Ashman, i think Demented Crazy F*ckers is more apt

    12:45AM � < m_33> ashman : We are the resistance.

    12:45AM � < cinebo> @ASHMAN dude that’s how badass you guys and tscc are, you bring out the “crazy f**kers” in us ; )

    12:46AM � < ashman01> I love LA. It’s the greatest city on Earth. All you need to do is go to the Studio City Hand Car Wash, hang out for like an hour and you’ll understand this in its fullness.

    12:47AM � < apologeticDan> @ash The car wash with the giant hand on Ventura?

    12:47AM � < ashman01> the very one

    12:47AM � < Tom> So you ‘ll just get a phone call on Monday? Or what?

    12:47AM � < apologeticDan> I used to live on the hill above that place.

    12:47AM � < apologeticDan> Sunshine Terrace. A weird, weird place.

    12:47AM � < LucasZenHannon> @ash, I see your LA’s Studio City Car Wash and raise you NYC’s Union Square.

    12:47AM � < ashman01> chicago is cold and smells weird, the chicks aren’t hot and they all wear parkas all the fucking time anyway

    12:47AM � < jfhenry> @Tom I guess. WB asked me to write up two different press releases, one for if we get picked up and one if we didn’t. I’ve written neither.

    12:47AM � < ashman01> plus, no good sushi

    12:48AM � < thecrusader> Shirley Manson had said that she was an unemployed actress. People wondered what that meant

    12:48AM � < ashman01> my apologies if you’re from chicago and you happen to be hot.

    12:48AM � < timt2318> you’re crazy, Ashman. you’re on the wrong side of town.

    12:48AM � < jfhenry> I’m not writing a press release until I know what’s going on and how I feel about what’s going on.

    12:49AM � On spoilers, Monday, and internet personalities.

    12:49AM � < jfhenry> @tehcrusader you know more than I do. I’m going to brunch with my family and then to the laker game.

    12:49AM � < ashman01> oh and for the record? speaking of leaks? — —– can smurf my smurf.

    12:50AM � < RoxyB> on the count of 3 everyone send a psychic message to Kevin Reilly to renew TSCC

    12:50AM � < RoxyB> ready?

    12:50AM � < RoxyB> 1

    12:50AM � < RoxyB> 2

    12:50AM � < RoxyB> 3

    12:50AM � < usagiko> @ashman: What about Ausiello?

    12:50AM � < ashman01> shit there’s gonna be a transcript.

    12:50AM � < apologeticDan> @ash I want Perez to referee your death match

    12:50AM � < ashman01> ausiello is just doing his job. you know, something he gets paid to do by a real media outlet.

    12:51AM � < ashman01> he actually has said some nice things about us. but he seems to be obsessed with our demise.

    12:52AM � < apologeticDan> The only thing I found out about Ausiello at the TCA press tour last year is that he doesn’t like to be touched. (Let’s see if that one gets picked up somewhere…)

    12:53 � And the topic of fanfic comes up. Joy. It�s like discussing the Bible with God. Or something.

    12:53AM � < ashman01> I personally avoid fanfic like the plague. Although I’ve met some fans who went on to become pros.

    12:54AM � < jfhenry> I’ve never read fanfic. NEVER.

    12:54AM � < nlynn> @ashman Any examples?

    12:54AM � < schmacky> i think what i love about the wiki the most is how everyone is an expert on what would make this show THE BEST..

    12:54AM � < apologeticDan> I used to write Trek fanfic when I was a teenager. :)

    12:54AM � < cinebo> @JFHENRY some of the fanfic…yeah…interesting stuff lol

    12:54AM � <aelysian> Is love really the right word there, Schmacky?

    12:55AM � < RoxyB> Did anyone ever read a fanfic at fanfiction.net called “— —- ——-”? WORST FANFIC EVER

    12:55AM � < ashman01> fuck, you guys found my short story “— —- — ——–”???

    12:55AM � < Raingin> LOL @ ashman

    12:55AM � < cinebo> LOL

    12:56AM � < persia> :D

    12:56AM � On fan theories, original fiction and shipping.

    12:56AM � < jfhenry> My favorite fan theory is about how I hate Cameron/Summer and deliberately shsut her out of the middle of th season.

    12:56AM � < ashman01> “Who are you?” “I’m here to optimize your climate control.” “But I don’t have climate control.” “I know.”

    12:56AM � < ashman01> BOW CHIKA BOW BOW

    12:56AM � < schmacky> @josh.. OH MY GOD! that’s when i went crazy in there. literally. all that crap drove me NUTS

    12:56AM � <~aelysian> Psh. No one can hate Cameron/Summer.

    12:56AM � < ashman01> thats an excerpt from my damn story

    12:56AM � < timt2318> it’s unique

    12:57AM � < timt2318> i’m definitiely not going to read that, ashman…

    12:57AM � < timepassedyouby> I thought the story was that you lost her phone number, Josh? :P

    12:57AM � < RoxyB> @aesylian – you do realized you just shipped summer with teh character she plays, right?

    12:57AM � < RoxyB> LOL

    12:57AM � < schmacky> LOL

    12:57AM � <aelysian> …let’s not get into my ships, shall we?

    12:57AM � <astropixie> Good to know I’m not the only person who noticed that and is completely warped by the internet

    12:58AM � < RoxyB> I’m shipping John/Catherine for season 3

    12:58AM � < jfhenry> Well it is a logical theory. I tried to work with her for five years, wrote the part for her, cast her…hmm. I must hate her.

    12:58AM � < ashman01> summer/cameron slash fiction

    12:58AM � < Tom> When is the announcement on Monday?

    12:58AM � < ggmarie1234> we think 1-3 california time, tom

    12:58AM � < ashman01> like that trek short story about kirk and spock beaming onto the set of star trek

    12:58AM � < ashman01> it’s awesome — i think James Blish wrote it

    12:59AM � < LucasZenHannon> This conversation took a turn into hell.

    12:59AM � < cinebo> @ASHMAN where is THAT story cuz that sounds interesting lol

    12:59AM � < phikappa> Good night. JH, Ash. I’m rooting for you. Ash’s baby needs a 3rd season. The fans need a third season. And JH needs to get his story told

    12:59AM � < apologeticDan> it’s kind of the logical extension of the cameron/allison slash that John was going to write in season three

    1:00AM � < schmacky> it’s funny.. my sister walked outta Star Trek thinkin Kirk and Spock had some chemistry… i thought she was crazy, but maybe she was onto something..

    1:00AM � < ashman01> i’ll tell you what my plan is

    1:00AM � < ashman01> BFM. Big martini.

    1:00AM � < apologeticDan> @schmacky… dude… the ONLY two other male characters in genre who have more chemistry than Kirk and Spock are Clark and Lex

    1:02AM � On Master Plans

    1:02AM � < ggmarie1234> so josh are you going to tell us your plan or was that a tease?!

    1:02AM � < jfhenry> I was never going to tell you my plan.

    1:02AM � < RoxyB> what plan? WHAT PLAN?!

    1:03AM � < thecrusader> Yeah what plan?

    1:03AM � <~astropixie> He’s a cylon, of course he has a plan.

    1:02AM � 1:07AM � On the Finale, Thomas Dekker, and pancakes

    1:07AM � < jfhenry> the three people most responsible for the finale are in this chatroom. if dan is stillhere.

    1:07AM � < ggmarie1234> in the john/cameron scene when he started digging around inside her chest…did john say it was “gold” or “cold”?

    1:08AM � < apologeticDan> @Josh… still here, multitasking on Twitter

    1:08AM � < jfhenry> cold

    1:08AM � < apologeticDan> Well the thing is I’m a very creative guy so I came up with “@danielthomsen”

    1:09AM � < RoxyB> @castellan – the ickiness was in the similarity to the pilot scene when Sarah’s sitting on John’s bed

    1:09AM � < schmacky> the first time i watched the cam/john scene i was like “wtf?” and the second time it just made me giggle

    1:10AM � < jfhenry> roxyB I had actually writtenthe wakeup part of that scene a word or two different and Thomas asked if he could change it to be like the pilot scene. smart thomas.\

    1:10AM � < Tom> Jose you let your actors change dialogue?!?! WTF?! jk

    1:11AM � < jfhenry> @Tom actually, I don’t. But I was on the set and he asked nicely.

    1:11AM � <~astropixie> For someone who is regularly attacked by guyliner, yeah, Thomas seems pretty smart.

    1:12AM � < jfhenry> Thomas is extremely smart. And the best student of the franchise.

    1:12AM � < persia> @ASHMAN01 is there a reason for all the pancake making?? Did you guys routinely miss breakfast?

    1:13AM � < ashman01> you have no idea the pancake scene that did NOT make it into the show

    1:13AM � < jfhenry> Pancaking+the beautiful monotony of parents/providing for your kids.

    1:13AM � < RebelFraggle> @ashman NOW you HAVE to tell us

    1:14AM � < apologeticDan>Can we all agree that Thomas’s most amazing work was in Star Trek: Generations? That’s actually what I complimented him on when I first met him.

    1:14AM � < apologeticDan> “Come to dinner, pa pa.”

    1:14AM � < ashman01> wtf was thomas in generations?

    1:14AM � < apologeticDan> @Ash — DUDE, he played Picard’s hallucinated son!

    1:14AM � < timt2318> actually, pancakes were my favorite food… then ashman ruined it for me

    1:15AM � < antar> @dan: seriously? dont remember him

    1:15AM � < apologeticDan> @antar: Yup. I imdb’d him when I got hired on the show and saw that credit and it all came rushing back to me. I’ve actually seen Generations more times than I should admit.

    1:16AM � On former FBI Agent James Ellison

    1:16AM � < schmacky> Ellison love was lost sometime during S2

    1:16AM � <aelysian> Schmacky – when he got dumb?

    1:16AM � < schmacky> aelysian@ yeah about that time

    1:17AM � < ashman01> as it turns out, ellison was the smartest guy on the show. but that’s a whole other discussion.

    1:17AM � < schmacky> @ash.. was he really? or was it simply by accident? lol

    1:17AM � < cinebo> @ASHMAN see thats why we need season 3 lol..to explore that discussion ; )

    1:17AM � < jfhenry> They key to not spilling secrets is not telling anybody

    1:18AM � <~astropixie> The main thing I grew to dislike about Ellison was how mean he was to John Henry. John Henry, my new favourite character of all time. Garret Dillahunt is amazing.

    1:18AM � < ashman01> nothing to share. pretty self-evident.

    1:18AM � < ashman01> but I leave that to you.

    1:19AM � < apologeticDan> Ellison is a very relaxed man. I’m on board with the way he carries himself through freaky, freaky times.

    1:19AM � On Garret Dillahunt being everywhere, Optimism, and FOX

    1:19AM � < Raingin> Garret is in the 4400 too, apparently. XD

    1:19AM � < LucasZenHannon> Whenever I see him I yell “BeastWizard”

    1:19AM � < LucasZenHannon> Is that wrong?

    1:20AM � < ashman01> garrett was amazing on Life. He’s amazing whatever he does,

    1:20AM � < apologeticDan> Oh speaking of 4400 — Ash, did you know that Ira is running “Crash” on Starz now???

    1:20AM � < ashman01> he could be amazing on prison break

    1:20AM � < ashman01> yeah dan.

    1:20AM � < RebelFraggle> They are making a TV movie for Prison Break now

    1:20AM � < apologeticDan> Doug auditioned for him yesterday.

    1:20AM � < apologeticDan> He was being very Ira

    1:21AM � < RoxyB> I vote for a TV movie if we don’t get a 3rd season

    1:21AM � < jfhenry> there willbe no tv movie. no cw. no SyFy. It’s either a third season on Fox or we all curl up with or DVDs and move on.

    1:22AM � < ashman01> I will curl up with my blu-rays.

    1:22AM � <~astropixie> Way to quash dreams and make babies cry, Josh.

    1:23AM � < persia> @ASHMAN01 has a baby to support we have to get a 3rd season!

    1:23AM � < jfhenry> I just want to be as real as I can. I love that you guys are so optimistic and passionate and I don’t want you in more torture than you have to be.

    1:23AM � < usagiko> in the words of Dekker, Daddy’s got bills to pay.

    1:23AM � < ashman01> my baby will be fine. I have a number of top secret things happening that should keep him in Gerber’s for a while.

    1:23AM � < Tom> Josh, when was the last time you spoke to anybody from Fox?

    1:25AM � < jfhenry> @Tom: I can’t remember. Maybe a month.

    1:25AM � < kevinj> @Josh and Ash do you guys want a full season or 13 episode pickup?

    1:25AM � < Tom> UGH – did this happen last year just like this Josh?

    1:26AM � < jfhenry> Full season. Although in general I think 22 eps at a network pace is too much/too fast.

    1:26AM � < apologeticDan> Agreed.

    1:26AM � < morricone> I heard that networks are not really signing for full seasons anymore

    1:26AM � < jfhenry> @Tom: Fox didn’t give us a pick up until the last possible minute the first year. And that held true between front thirteen and back nine.

    1:27AM � < kevinj> @josh Ash Dan maybe they’ll give you a full season with a January start like Lost

    1:27AM � < apologeticDan> @morricone I think it’s more situational… certain genres of shows are fine for 22, like CSI or 90210.

    1:27AM � < ashman01> honestly I think 13 is a much better number for a TV season

    1:28AM � < LucasZenHannon> Ash/Josh… if you DO get picked up for a third season, would you write it as if it were the end of the series, just in case?

    1:28AM � < jfhenry> @Lucas Didn’t we just do that?

    1:28AM � < persia> I loved Alpine Fields as a stand alone

    1:28AM � < ashman01> lucas, I would write whatever the fuck josh tells me to write.

    1:28AM � < apologeticDan> Alpine Fields love!!

    1:29AM � < timt2318> josh, ashman, dan, how much influence did fox have in season 2? i know they were behind the riley thing but what else?

    1:29AM � < ashman01> yes, the most hilarious part of Alpine Fields was the pile of dead babies. Good times.

    1:30AM � < jfhenry> @timt:S2 was ours. Fox did want more standalone, hence the bloody wall. But we shook loose of that after a bit.

    1:31AM � On DVD Commentary, the winning qualities of James Middleton and Brian Austin Green

    1:31AM � < morricone> Josh, Ash can you tell us anything about the season 2 dvd, like will there be commentary tracks etc?

    1:31AM � < Sadguylol> JOSH is in here ? whats his name ?

    1:31AM � < ashman01> his name is Josh

    1:32AM � < ashman01> duh

    1:32AM � < jonh611> I really hope Fox doesn’t fuck up my Monday, and everyone else’s Monday

    1:32AM � < jfhenry> great stuff on s2 dvd. commentaries, lots of special docs. they spent a day filming us in the writers room. good stuff.

    1:33AM � < cinebo> @JOSH awesome!

    1:33AM � < RoxyB> ya – love comentary

    1:33AM � < morricone> wohoo great

    1:33AM � < kevinj> @Josh Ash Dan how have the season 2 preorders been?

    1:33AM � < jfhenry> @kevinj Don’t know.

    1:34AM � < guest_216> I love that FBI scene with the Johnny Cash song it was EPIC

    1:35AM � < Snarf> The Man Comes Around

    1:35AM � < jfhenry> The JOhnny Cash thing will probably go down as my favorite thing. Mostly my favorite because the studio didn’t want us to use the song. I was on strike so I couldn’t argue for it but james Middleton stuck his foot in the ground and made sure it happend.

    1:35AM � < kevinj> @Josh Ash Dan #14 and #20 on amazon for Season 2 DVDs

    1:36AM � < airofina> Any chance Allison from Palmdale is one of the episodes that has a commentary?

    1:36AM � < ashman01> and if you’ve ever seen james middleton, you’d realize he has freakishly small feet. So this was quite an accomplishment.

    1:36AM � < jfhenry> Al from the P is a commentary ep.

    1:37AM � < apologeticDan> Small feet/Big Heart: The James Middleton Story

    1:37AM � < schmacky> @josh.. mind tellin us what other eps have commentary?

    1:37AM � < jfhenry> Samson and Delilah, Adam Raised a Cain, Born to Run

    1:38AM � < apologeticDan> No Ferguson commentary. :-/

    1:38AM � < scarlett> I love how TSCC made B.A.G into a total bad ass

    1:38AM � < ashman01> so does BAG

    1:38AM � < thecrusader> Was it hard to cast a new actor for Kyle Reese?

    1:39AM � < jfhenry> BAG is a badass.

    1:39AM � < apologeticDan> BAG has twitter?

    1:39AM � < jfhenry> It was the last thing we did creatively before we went on strike. Were you in casting Ash or was it Zack? it was literally the last freaking second.

    1:39AM � < twistdmentality> BAG said in a podcast that he’s keeping far away from twitter

    1:40AM � < apologeticDan> Yeah, seems unlikely that he’d twitter.

    1:40AM � < jfhenry> @starkiller I offered to do commentaries on every ep on s! but they wouldn’t let me. They told me no one cares about them.

    1:41AM � < apologeticDan> All I remember about right before the strike was we were in the middle of Vick’s Chip, Josh gave that speech, I shook Miller Tobins’ hand and took a picture of my office then, you know, left.

    1:41AM � < CJ> Josh you should do them as a podcast like Ron Moore did for BSG

    1:41AM � < jfhenry> @CJ I was going to but they discouraged me.

    1:41AM � < scarlett> I love commentaries but people think I am crazy

    1:42AM � < jfhenry> The hardest thing about filming BTR was knowing the last day was the HK crash and praying we didn’t fuck it up. Also, it was a very emotional time for the actors and everyone and people were a little on edge. But on top of their game.

    1:43AM � < thecrusader> Why was it an emotional time?

    1:43AM � < jfhenry> cuz it was the last ep of season.

    1:43AM � < ashman01> forgive me, I’m tanking an Ulduar raid while I do this.

    1:45AM � On Derek and Jesse, C-Sections and Australian Accents

    1:45AM � < timt2318> so, did derek kill jesse or is that left up to the viewer to decide

    1:45AM � < jfhenry> @tint that is up to you my friend.

    1:46AM � < ashman01> I think we ended on an ambiguous note for a reason.

    1:47AM � <~aelysian> Ambiguous is definitely a word for it. One of many.

    1:47AM � < schmacky> yeah.. so the debate can live on forever. weeee

    1:47AM � < RebelFraggle> @ashman I love that you left that up to the viewer

    1:47AM � < ashman01> you tell us if jesse’s dead. only derek reese knows for sure.

    1:47AM � <~astropixie> To the shock and mutters of therapy from my parents, I sprang up from the couch and shouted, “I have to go online and post on my livejournal!” after Born to Run

    1:48AM � < apologeticDan> @astro My parents used to read over my shoulder because they were so paranoid about the strange “science fiction” stuff I was into. I was a bad kid.

    1:48AM � < persia> Wait did SC give herself a c-section? we had a long discussion @JF

    1:48AM � < ashman01> and THIS is why josh is wise not to want to tell you things that aren’t on screen. you’d have no fun at all.

    1:48AM � < timt2318> how bad were you apologeticdan?

    1:49AM � < morricone> @ash that’s true but we just _can’t_ stop asking

    1:49AM � < jfhenry> i’m not going to answer story details. at least no the ones I don’t want to.

    1:49AM � < apologeticDan> @timt Well I could show you the binder of starships I designed for the Trek RPG I used to be a member of..

    1:51AM � < starkiller> we had a long discussion here about the c section in the jungle

    1:51AM � < LucasZenHannon> Did anyone else notice Jesse’s American accent when she met with Sarah?

    1:51AM � < thecrusader> Yep

    1:51AM � < usagiko> yes

    1:51AM � < jfhenry> that’s funny cuz we didn’t

    1:51AM � < LucasZenHannon> Really? I thought it was on purpose, Josh.

    1:51AM � < apologeticDan> She’s doing an American accent on Melrose Place this year.

    1:52AM � < jfhenry> I was referring to the c sectioin not the accent. the accent was on purpose. as was the c section.

    1:52AM � On strange ideas

    1:52AM � < RoxyB> so…. is there a secret Connor daughter?

    1:52AM � < ashman01> THERE ARE NO SECRET FUCKING SIBLINGS.

    1:53AM � < ashman01> josh of course may disagree

    1:53AM � < jfhenry> Amen brother.

    1:53AM � < jfhenry> to both.

    1:53AM � < persia> Was Derek ever thought to be a love intrest for SC @JF?

    1:53AM � < ggmarie1234> you mean, no *more* secret fucking siblings?

    1:53AM � < jfhenry> @JF No to the love interest. icky.

    1:53AM � < steel1x1> @jfhernry Did John and Riley make whoopie in Episode 10 of Season 2?

    1:54AM � < ashman01> brb gotta pwn Hodir AND grab a fresh martini.

    1:55AM � < GKnee77> what if allison and kyle are together in the future? where does that leave john, that’s what i wanna know

    1:55AM � < jfhenry> see, there’s my need to clarify things I like to be clear, and my need not to clarify things I don’t want clear. atough line.

    1:55AM � < antar> well, that’s what season 3 is for…

    1:55AM � < schmacky> uuuuuuuuuugh@ kyle and allison being together. No no no no no.

    1:55AM � < persia> Wait was that answer about Riley and John?

    1:55AM � <~astropixie> Sometimes fandom makes me want to stab my eyes out with a spork.

    1:56AM � < jfhenry> @persia: no. and no, they didn’thave sex.

    1:56AM � < steel1x1> @jfherny Thank you for clearing that up.

    2:01AM � Speculation and Deadlines

    2:01AM � < jfhenry> I think everybody has a right to speculate S3 and until it’s bro9adcast on fox then anything’s fair game. I do think there’s been some loony shit written about s2.

    2:03AM � < nlynn> How long does it take you guys to write an episode?

    2:03AM � < RebelFraggle> I just want to keep Derek! BEST UNCLE EVER! That park scene where he showed John his father as a child. I cried for an hour

    2:03AM � < ashman01> nothing fans say surprises me

    2:03AM � <~astropixie> Yeah, how long does it take to write an ep?

    2:03AM � < ashman01> when i started on andromeda, I used to drop into fan chat rooms all the damn time.

    2:03AM � < ashman01> people said shit that would curl your hair

    2:03AM � < ashman01> it would curl your curly hairs

    2:03AM � < apologeticDan> @nlynn We usually spend a week in the writers’ room firming up the story, then when the script gets assigned to a writer, he/she usually has about 7 days ot do it

    2:03AM � < jfhenry> @nlynn: maybe a week and change to break it (outline it) and two weeks to write it. Sometimes a lot less if we’re crunchyed.

    2:04AM � < apologeticDan> two weeks??

    2:04AM � < jfhenry> ish.

    2:04AM � < nlynn> Thanks. Do you go through a lot of revisions or are you guys pretty much in sync at this point?

    2:04AM � < ashman01> 7 days? you pussies.

    2:04AM � <jfhenry> I was talking about toni

    2:05AM � < apologeticDan> haaa

    2:05AM � < apologeticDan> nice

    2:05AM � < cinebo> k this is THE best night ever

    2:05AM � < talli> Dan is wondering why everyone else gets two weeks and not him…

    2:05AM � < jfhenry> WE broke the finale in four days, then ash dan and I re-broke it in four hours over sushi, and then I wrote it in four days

    2:05AM � < apologeticDan> Seriously. This realization could impact my answer to the “How’s Josh as a boss?” question.

    2:06AM � < ashman01> that was a ton of fun btw

    2:06AM � < ashman01> my wife was PISSED

    2:06AM � < ashman01> mainly because i forgot to call and tell her I was gonna be… very late

    2:06AM � < nlynn> At least there was sushi.

    2:06AM � < jfhenry> I was guessing, Dan. I never paid attention. No one ever gave me two weeks.

    2:07AM � < apologeticDan> Well honestly the other issue with most writers is, even if you do get two weeks, what percentage of that time is spent screwing around?

    2:07AM � < ashman01> best story beat on the board ever: “cameron john travoltas through prison”

    2:07AM � < jfhenry> we were paranoid about all the eps, but especially last two.

    2:08AM � < cinebo> Cameron shots up the prison to “stayin alive” lol

    2:08AM � < talli> @Dan Ash tends to refer to it as f*cking around…but screwing works

    2:08AM � < jfhenry> the bag death we were worried would get out. as well as hk crash. lots of fightws with fox marketing re revealing shirley was metal

    2:09AM � < apologeticDan> @talli Yeah I’d typically default to that terminology as well, but I’m in apologetic mode for earlier linguistic transgressions.

    2:09AM � < Thecolours> @ Josh Fox did leak that poster of the T-1001 before the premiere.

    2:09AM � < jfhenry> @coloours and I was screaming at people on the phone

    2:14AM � On American Idol

    2:14AM � < timt2318> i find it even harder to belive that 30M people watch a freaking singing competition weekly!

    2:14AM � < jfhenry> Go Adam Lambert!

    2:16AM � On L�Amour and Conventions

    2:16AM � < kevinj> @Josh Ash Dan what did you think about the midseason break?

    2:16AM � < jfhenry> Yeah, romance. As I say to the writers in the room, when I get laid, the characters’ll get laid.

    2:16AM � < CIsaac> Josh and Ash, you guys make a great, great show. I love it. Thank you for all the time you’ve given us.

    2:16AM � < apologeticDan> @kevinj Most of the time those things are a production necessity with a 22 ep season

    2:16AM � < schmacky> @josh… do we need to write letters to your wife then or something?

    2:17AM � < ashman01> josh, uh… derek did get laid

    2:17AM � < ashman01> quite a bit it seems like

    2:17AM � < cinebo> LOL

    2:17AM � < jfhenry> huh.

    2:17AM � < RebelFraggle> But he is DEREK

    2:17AM � < schmacky> @ash… i think that’s all Derek did in S2 :P

    2:17AM � < apologeticDan> @nlynn I’m too low on the totem pole to get invited to cons, but someday when I create my own quirky show for the Starz network…

    2:17AM � < ashman01> as natalie chaidez wisely observed: “a man’s gotta fuck”

    2:18AM � < ashman01> that was the original title for “today is the day”. true story

    2:19AM � < jfhenry> someone on sarah connor society figured out an entire episode before it aired. can’t remember which one…

    2:19AM � < ashman01> I go to cons all the time. natalie wasn’t kidding in her blog. I asked for comic-con as a religious holiday

    2:19AM � < CIsaac> @jfhenry — It was RoxyB

    2:19AM � < ashman01> dan thomsen will tell you it was time well spent this year

    2:19AM � < jfhenry> right. that was it.

    2:20AM � < jfhenry> that’s why i hate spoilers

    2:20AM � < apologeticDan> Oh yeah, if any of you run into Ash at ComicCon… DO NOT LET HIM OUT OF YOUR SIGHT. You will have the most recklessly entertaining times ever.

    2:20AM � < ashman01> what with being pressed into service as an impromptu porn director at the wrath of con party

    2:20AM � < apologeticDan> Ash snuck me into that party, btw

    2:20AM � < CIsaac> @schmacky — Roxy’s our little savant. Action Figures to Drama plots, she does everything.

    2:20AM � < jfhenry> roxy wrote the anti-jameron rant, didn’t she?

    2:21AM � < RoxyB> heh – yeah that was me

    2:21AM � < jfhenry> someone sent that to me. that was genius. really. possibly my favorite thing written about the show.

    2:21AM � < schmacky> @josh.. i gotta ask and you probably won’t answer but… are you a Jameron? Really? lol

    2:22AM � <~astropixie> Just what is wrong with Jameron, huh? (Not that we even like to call it that…)

    2:22AM � < ashman01> roxy you do the action figures thing?

    2:23AM � < jfhenry> @schmacky: weirdly, I think I am. I say weirdly only because people ripped me up and down all year for ignoring the whole thing. But I think if you look at he eps I wrote they’re very jameron-y. I just think sometimes the show takes you in places you’re not expecting and you go there.

    2:23AM � < timt2318> hey, josh, ashman, dan – can you spill the beans about the Jordan storyline from season 1

    2:23AM � < ashman01> WHO?

    2:23AM � < schmacky> @josh lol oh no, you just went down a notch in my book… jk :P sorta..kinda.. hehe but i give ya props nonetheless

    2:24AM � < castellan_craft> @Ash, jordan was the girl that flung herself off the roof

    2:24AM � < cinebo> the one Cameron tried to give the tight present to =D

    2:24AM � < apologeticDan> Morris asked Jordan to the prom before he asked Cameron.

    2:24AM � < ashman01> oh yeah. her arc was more or less ballistic from the roof to the concrete

    2:24AM � < cinebo> i liked Morris

    2:24AM � < ashman01> any other questions?

    2:24AM � < persia> That kid was so cute. “just say yes”

    2:24AM � < ashman01> YOU SEE, FRIEDMAN? PEOPLE LIKE MORRIS

    2:25AM � < jfhenry> When David Nutter read the pilot script and he and I had dinner to decide if he was right for the show he pitched the whole thing as romeo and juliet.

    2:25AM � < Thecolours> Morris would have been cool if he was a gray.

    2:26AM � < apologeticDan> I can’t remember how much of Morris’s monologue about the scar he got stage diving at a Bjork concert made it to the airwaves, but I loved writing that.

    [insert two minutes of everyone comparing how late it is where they are.]

    2:28AM � < jfhenry> I believe that all of s2 comes out of John’s embarassment over realizing in ep1 that he might love Cameron

    2:28AM � < schmacky> I have a question… @josh @ash @dan… who’s your favorite character?

    2:29AM � <~astropixie> That is an excellent belief, Josh. Aelysian and I are going to die of shippy excitement now.

    2:29AM � < heroeswench> wow that is cool knowledge and shades things differently Josh

    2:29AM � < steel1x1> @jfhenry Well is josh said it.Its cannon.

    2:29AM � < ashman01> to be a ship, it has to run both ways

    2:30AM � <~astropixie> Oh. We can make it run both ways.

    2:30AM � < RebelFraggle> @Johs @ASh was the use of water a conscious metaphor or something that just sort of happened over time? Or am I reading too much into it?

    2:30AM � < apologeticDan> My favorite character was/is John. I’ve always identified the most with him and always been most inspired to think of creative ways to F up his life.

    2:30AM � < ashman01> use of water where?

    2:30AM � < kevinj> @Josh Dan Ash was Cameron serious about the whole “I love you” thing?

    2:30AM � <~astropixie> Lol Dan.

    2:30AM � < jfhenry> @kevinj that’s one I’ll never answer.

    2:31AM � < timt2318> that’s what makes him real apologeticdan – just a regular guy who want to do regular things

    2:31AM � < apologeticDan> Cromartie crashing John’s first date is kinda along those lines.

    2:31AM � < Thecolours> @ Josh,Dan, Ash. What was up with the baby moninter in Complications? Was there a hidden message being played?

    2:31AM � < Belial69699> @talli, so far from what Ive read Derek comes off as.. soft? I guess is the word. In the show hes a lil more of a hard @ss imo. Might want to give him a slight adjustment in attitude. but thats my opinion. I still think ur doing great =)

    2:32AM � < jfhenry> @the colours: w/o being coy I’d have to say that it is specific and for the life of me i can’t remember what it is.

    2:32AM � < ashman01> bella… he shot his best friend in the head and may have offed the mother of his child. exactly how hard would you like this man to be?

    2:32AM � < cinebo> OOOH can u tell us why Cameron’s eye was red in the finale but BLUE otherwise? =D

    2:32AM � < CIsaac> @Josh Ash Dan — random question, in episode 2×21 when the Kaliba guys zap Cameron with electricity + water, how’s she able to reboot quicker than the 120 second timer? Is that something that can be answered?

    2:33AM � < ashman01> oh yeah

    2:33AM � < talli> @Belia I haven’t really done anything with Derek (soft or hard–dirty?) I will soon though. Although I do think this Derek is different anyway, which is why I’ve avoided writing for him

    2:33AM � < ashman01> he one-armed a fucking 50 cal sniper rifle.

    2:34AM � < nlynn> @josh, Ash, Dan: In the basement, did Cameron torture Derek into giving up the resistance location?

    2:34AM � < jfhenry> no basement talk.

    2:34AM � < RebelFraggle> @ ASh Crap, I read too much into it, didn’t I? I just felt that water was very present from the FBI agents falling into the water at the end of season 1, and Cromartie chasing John off the dock, and the water men at the end of season 2. I just kept thinking that there was an underlying metaphor there, probably to do with the origin of life.

    2:34AM � < talli> @ash Bellia was referring to my Derek, not the show’s Derek

    2:35AM � < LucasZenHannon> Word. One issue, though: When you guys shoot scenes in the future, why do you have the actors act like the rifles have kickback? Aren’t they laser rifles?

    2:35AM � < cinebo> @JOSH @ASH can u say hwy Cameron’s eye was red instead of blue or is it a secret for later if there is a later?

    2:36AM � < jfhenry> cinebo: it’s red because at the core, she’s a terminator. plain and simple.

    2:36AM � < apologeticDan> I think plasma would have a little bit of kickback. It has mass. But I dunno.

    2:36AM � < RoxyB> Ah, so Cameron’s blue eye color was indicative of having been reprogrammed?

    2:37AM � < RoxyB> but then red when she was messed up?

    2:37AM � < schmacky> @Roxy… it was blue because Cameron likes that color. Her leather jacket shoulda been blue

    2:37AM � < castellan_craft> Maybe there was a filter in her eye between the red eye and the cornea?

    2:37AM � < morricone> RoxyB, maybe it’s red because of licensing issues with the T model from T3

    2:37AM � < jfhenry> the lens itself is red. there’d never be a reason to change the lens color.

    2:38AM � < ashman01> also

    2:38AM � < ashman01> red is awesome

    2:38AM � < ashman01> it flashed blue in season one.

    2:38AM � < jfhenry> I made it blue in the pilot to indicate she was different but that wasn’t to suggest the hardware was blue. no reason for it.

    2:38AM � < ashman01> you did not see her naked eye in season one

    2:38AM � < Leetmouse> @ash you said boobs were awesome….

    2:38AM � < ashman01> boobies are awesome

    2:39AM � < LucasZenHannon> Oh, I have a question. Coltan is supposed to be extremely heavy, right? It’s been shown in the films (and I think the show as well) that Terminators are hard to lift. Why doesn’t Cameron break beds and chairs w/ her heavy ass?

    2:39AM � < ashman01> terminators weigh what we weigh

    2:40AM � < Belial69699> @Lucas thought it was supposed to be extremely dense? not heavy

    2:40AM � < ashman01> tantalum is actually very light, like titanium

    2:40AM � < schmacky> LUcas@ T3 was stupid for making Terms so heavy.. how could they ever drive the cars if they were that heavy??

    2:40AM � < ashman01> or just put a fucking scale outside of every resistance base

    2:40AM � <~astropixie> So they just suck at swimming, then?

    2:40AM � < talli> @ash Didn’t Josh once say Cam weighs about 30% than a human girl her size?

    2:40AM � < ashman01> “john does my ass look fat?”

    2:41AM � < jfhenry> terminators weight hte same as human counterparts

    2:41AM � < ashman01> ‘it doesn’t look fat but you weigh the same as a fucking rhinocerous.”

    2:42AM � < apologeticDan> Okay, I’m fighting a cold so I’m going to read in bed until the Advil Cold & Sinus knocks me out.

    2:42AM � < ashman01> night dan

    2:42AM � < persia> Bye

    2:42AM � < antar> bye

    2:42AM � < LucasZenHannon> Cya, dan.

    2:42AM � < airofina> bye Dan =)

    2:42AM � < Leetmouse> cya dan

    2:42AM � <~astropixie> Bye Dan! Thanks for stopping by! And sorry we kicked you off!

    2:42AM � < apologeticDan> Enjoy rest of the weekend, all!

    2:42AM � < twistdmentality> hast luego

    2:42AM � < castellan_craft> Seeeeeeeeeya

    2:42AM � < LordByronX> night

    2:42AM � < nlynn> Night!

    2:42AM � < talli> Bye Dan!

    2:43AM � < apologeticDan> No worries, astro. Sorry about the lame handle.

    2:43AM � Drinkie

    2:43AM � < Thecolours> @Josh, Dan, Ash. How much are you doing to drink Monday night if SCC gets renewed?

    2:43AM � < ashman01> more than you might imagine

    [insert three minutes of talk of drunkenness and disliking a certain television network.]

    2:46AM � < ashman01> there is ZERO chance I’m drunk dialing kevin reilly

    2:47AM � < Thecolours> @Josh what other names did you have in mind for SCC as a show title?

    2:47AM � < CIsaac> @ashman01 — C’mon! We’d pay good money to hear that!

    2:47AM � < cinebo> no lets all spam Ausiello’s inbox lol

    2:47AM � < ashman01> i think james middleton came up with the title but I could be wrong

    2:47AM � < jfhenry> @colours: I inherited the title. and i’ve never liked it.

    2:49AM � Dollhouse and other things

    2:49AM � � < ashman01> i’m happy for dollhouse. I think we should support our fans, and joss is one of them

    2:49AM � � < LucasZenHannon> Writers: If there is one thing you wish to accomplish, one message you want to relay with TSCC, what would it be?

    2:50AM � < ashman01> lucas: never trust a fucking robot.

    2:50AM � < LucasZenHannon> oh, snap.

    2:50AM � < CIsaac> @ashman01 — Dude, that’s awesome.

    2:51AM � <~astropixie> Okay. Noted. Not trusting robots. Except Wall-E.

    2:57AM � The chatroom grew in size again. With fifty conversations going on at once, here are snippets.

    2:57AM �< LucasZenHannon> AHA, Question for writers again: Which character do you most connect with? Why?

    2:57AM � < ashman01> derek. because like him, I lived through the apocalypse and traveled back in time to kill my best friend.

    2:57AM � < jfhenry> i like writing all of them. but the most pure writer fun is any of the terminators.

    2:58AM � < ashman01> and in my heart of hearts… I <3 Murch

    2:59AM � < jfhenry> i forget about murch. i love writing murch.

    2:59AM � < CIsaac> Thou Shalt Not Say LG’s Name.

    3:01AM � < Thecolours> @ Josh Are you going to work on new pilot if SCC is a no go?

    3:02AM � < jfhenry> @thecolours:yes. a new pilot. probably write a movie, too. definitely a pilot.

    3:04AM � < kevinj> @Josh Ash will your next show be a scifi show or something else

    3:05AM � < jfhenry> @kevinj I love writing sf and while we may be experiencing a weird little golden age with the various genre shows that are out, most of them fail and it’s a tough sell. My agent practically hangs up on me if I use the word spaceship.

    3:06AM � < kevinj> @Josh too bad, you’ve a mind for it

    3:06AM � < CIsaac> @Josh — Never give up! Never surrender!

    3:06AM � < Leetmouse> @josh I have a story about a boy and his termina….. oh wait

    3:06AM � < jfhenry> that’s not to say I won’t write one, it’s just challenging for broadcast.

    3:06AM � < RebelFraggle> @Josh your writing is awesome and we will follow you whatever you decide to create in the future

    3:06AM � < The_GodfatherSJP> Is it me or are all the shows becoming the same except for Sci-Fi? It’s kinda depressing

    3:06AM � < talli> I feel like Ash might’ve passed out on his keyboard…

    3:06AM � < jfhenry> well ash is probably drunk.

    3:07AM � < jfhenry> this is the genius of lost. no one knew it saw syfy for three years.

    3:07AM � < jfhenry> and by syfy i mean scifi

    3:08AM � On Television and Books

    3:08 AM � < ashman01> I AM FINE

    3:08 AM � < ashman01> i am so awake you cant believe it

    3:08 AM � < jfhenry> episodic and focused on romance. and also a very un-sci fi idea: survivor!

    3:09AM � < kevinj> @Josh Ash do you watch much TV? Have a favorite show other than TSCC?

    3:10AM � < jfhenry> The Wire, Deadwood, The Office, Rescue Me, S1 of Dexter

    3:10AM � < ashman01> I loved dexter season 1 and 2

    3:10AM � < ashman01> heroes season 1

    3:10AM � < ashman01> i have an on-off love affair with lost

    3:10AM � < timt2318> season 3 of dexter kicked *ss

    3:11AM � < ashman01> i think the first 3 seasons of BSG were amazing

    3:11AM � < ashman01> I’m a huge trek fan

    3:11AM � < CIsaac> @Josh @Ash — Are there any scifi novels that influenced you or made you enjoy the genre? Anything from Asimov to Scalzi or someone in between?

    3:11AM � < jfhenry> I made the writers read Ender’s Game before S1.

    3:12AM � < LucasZenHannon> Why Ender’s Game, though? Any thematic points you wanted to mirror in the show?

    3:12AM � < The_GodfatherSJP> don’t get made at me everyone, including you Josh and Ashley, but I think BSG was better than TSCC

    3:12AM � < guest_073> wait wait…why enders game? it was good , but why?:P

    3:12AM � < SADGUY> how are the DVR Ratings of TSCC Season 2 ?

    3:13AM � < ashman01> our dvr numbers are insane

    3:13AM � < jfhenry> Difficult choices a leader must make, sacrifices of the personal for the sake of the whole, blah blah blah.

    3:13AM � < R> yay. happy. thanks ash for the info

    3:13AM � <~astropixie> Yeah, Godfather, we must have been watching different shows. With BSG you grew to despise every single character. With SCC you love them. I’m sorry, that’s a big difference in quality.

    3:14AM � < ashman01> for the record: he didn’t make me or zack read ender’s game, as we had already read it.

    3:14AM � < kevinj> @Josh read any heilein?

    3:15AM � < jfhenry> haven’t read much heinlein. love neal stephenson, dan simmons’s hyperion, vernor vinge fire upon the deep

    3:16AM � < guest_073> jfhenry : The Forever War is pretty appropriate for the terminator series

    3:16AM � < jfhenry> Love forever war.

    3:16AM � < castellan_craft> Ever heard of Neil Gaiman Josh?

    3:17AM � < jfhenry> i follow neil on twitter

    3:17AM � < ashman01> I love heinlein

    3:17AM � < kevinj> @Josh I really want to read Dan Simmon’s Ilium, Love Neil Stephenson, need to read Vernor Vinge too many books…

    3:17AM � < ashman01> the moon is a harsh mistress is amazing

    3:17AM � < ashman01> it makes me cry

    3:18AM � < starkiller> someone was talking about the moon is a harsh mistress being made into a movie

    3:19AM � < CIsaac> There’s rumors about Heinlein’s stuff all the time. But we usually get a ‘Starship Troopers’ abortion.

    3:20AM � < starkiller> @Ash the cat who walked through wallls

    3:20AM � < ashman01> i think job and cat who… are good reads, but they aren’t his best works

    3:20AM � < ashman01> i also second josh’s emotion about hyperion

    3:20AM � < ashman01> along those lines, a case for conscience

    3:20AM � < kevinj> Hyperion, yet another book I need to read

    3:21AM � < ashman01> which i wanna say is james blish

    3:21AM � < timt2318> anyone read lee child?

    3:21AM � < kevinj> @Ash Josh did either of you read the Terminator books?

    3:21AM � < ashman01> newp

    3:21AM � < persia> I need to get up on Scifi books, all I’ve read is Brave New World

    3:21AM � <~astropixie> I just cannot get into Hyperion. Forty pages in and I don’t give a shit.

    3:21AM � < jfhenry> I’ve read three or four lee childs but not for a while.

    3:21AM � < jfhenry> don’t read terminator books

    3:22AM � < jfhenry> don’t think about timelines. you’ll never finish your script.

    3:22AM � < ashman01> I did

    3:22AM � < RebelFraggle> @ashman you are awesome

    3:22AM � < ashman01> shades of toni graphia

    3:23AM � < ashman01> there are few pleasures in life greater than explaining time travel to toni.

    3:24AM � < persia> Do you worry when reading books that you will steal an idea?

    3:24AM � < jfhenry> @persia I hope I do

    3:26AM � < RebelFraggle> @jfhenry will we ever find out what happened to Danny Dyson?

    3:26AM � < jfhenry> if we get a season three.

    3:27AM � < persia> Hey when people send stuff to actors is it thrown out or they actually get it?

    3:27AM � < jfhenry> I don’t know fi they get it.

    3:28AM � < RebelFraggle> @Josh besides Summer, was the casting process difficult for TSCC? Did the studio not like anybody?

    3:29AM � < jfhenry> Summer wasn’t difficult to cast. Thomas was the hardest. People were very uptight about that role. thomas auditioned about a thousand times. But he was the best in every round of auditions. Never a doubt for me.

    3:29AM � < cinebo> oh god Thomas was PERFECT hands down

    3:29AM � < equustel> so much love for Thomas as John.

    3:29AM � There is talk of the usefulness of dogs in a post-Judgment Day world. Which culminates in:

    3:30AM � < ashman01> gknee: who the fuck eats their terminator detector?

    3:30AM � < ashman01> I’ll eat YOU before I eat the damn dog.

    3:30AM � < persia> Do you make actors cry while auditioning?

    3:30AM � < jfhenry> do you mean do i make them cry on purpose

    3:30AM � < ashman01> no, we save making them cry for after they’re cast

    3:31AM � < jfhenry> well it was hard to cast sarah for those reasons but it wasn’t hard once we found lena. the studio and network loved her so once we saw her it was great. the other two hundred auditions were kinda of tedious.

    3:32AM � < LucasZenHannon> You what we need? Ash and Josh as terminators.

    3:32AM � < jfhenry> i didn’t care if she was skinny or buff, i was interested in inner strength. we hired lena angelina jolie’s trainer from tomb raider and he worked her out hard and she just got leaner. so be it.

    3:33AM � < ashman01> “fuck away. I’m gonna die tomorrow.” THAT dialogue is going in a script.

    3:34AM � < ashman01> I don’t think it will mean what you think it means.

    3:34AM � < hero77> @Josh – opinion on T4′s PG13 rating ?

    3:35AM � < jfhenry> don’t know much about t4, rating or otherwise. looks cool, though.

    3:35AM � < ashman01> not my question but… PG-13 terminator movie? WTF? I’ve already blasted James Middleton on this question

    3:36AM � < cinebo> yeah but isnt pg13 today what R USED to be?

    3:36AM � < LucasZenHannon> @ash, I saw a special in which the director was explaining he didn’t need all that violence and gore to tell a story

    3:37AM � < morded> @Josh, I was wondering if the show does get canceled are you and the rest of the writers going to try and fight to get it renewed somewhere else like another network, or Direct to DVD?

    3:37AM � < morded> The reason I ask is what’s the point of the fans fighting to keep the show going if it’s only the fans that are going to be fighting to keep it going and not anyone else.

    3:36AM � 3:38AM � For the sake of coherency…a conversation about boobies took place, concluded by:

    3:38AM � < ashman01> but really at the end of the day, i think we can all agree… boobies are awesome. I’m pretty sure that even my unborn son will give me a hell yeah on that one.

    3:39AM � < newspeak3> @josh and ash : just wanted to say thanks for doing this

    3:39AM � < jfhenry> @morded: the point is, everyone does what they can for the shows they love. you guys have done all you can, and we’ve done all we can. we try to write the shit out of our show and hope we make ourselves undeniably present and accounted for.

    3:39AM � < ashman01> you’re welcome.

    3:39AM � <~astropixie> I cannot believe Ash and Josh are still here with us, hours later. Thank you so much for dropping by.

    3:40AM � < RoxyB> Josh and Ash are awesome

    3:40AM � < equustel> @Josh, you have, and thank you for that.

    3:40AM � < cinebo> Ash and Josh you guys rock more than you’ll ever know sirs!!

    3:40AM � < stark74> writers: whose idea was that using ” Richard Steven hack ” ‘s name on the episode?

    3:40AM � <~aelysian> Thank you. Both. So much. This was fucking awesome and pretty much my cardio for the week.

    3:40AM � < airofina> yes, thank you Josh and Ash. you guys are so fucking awesome! =D

    3:40AM � < ashman01> that was zack

    3:40AM � < ashman01> and for the record, I had no idea what he was doing when he did it

    3:41AM � < ashman01> and had I known (or had Josh known, I suspect) it wouldn’t have happened.

    3:41AM � < CIsaac> @Josh — You definitely wrote the shit out of this show and no matter what, you guys should know we think you’re awesome and appreciate everything and getting all this time with your awesome writing and characters.

    3:41AM � < jfhenry> on that not people…I have to leave now. The wife and dog can’t sleep until I’ve taken at least one of them out into the yard. Please know that I appreciate everything y’all have done. No matter what happens be proud of yourselves. And don’t stop fighting for the shows you love. Good night.

    3:42AM � < cinebo> THANKS SO MUCH JOSH good night!!

    3:42AM � < jessicatron> night josh :)

    3:42AM � < LucasZenHannon> Daw.

    3:42AM � < twistdmentality> Thanks for stopping by. It’s much appreciated.

    3:42AM � < CIsaac> Good night, Josh!

    3:42AM � < stevenlu> good night, many thanks for the show ash and josh

    3:42AM � < ashman01> night boss.

    3:42AM � < LucasZenHannon> *cries*

    3:42AM � < SADGUY> good night josh, thanks

    3:42AM � < castellan_craft> Good night. :D

    3:42AM � < morricone> gn8

    3:42AM � < talli> @Josh good night and thanks!

    3:42AM � < persia> Thank you for your time

    3:42AM � <~aelysian> Much love. Thanks!

    3:42AM � < timt2318> thanks for stopping by josh

    3:42AM � < RoxyB> good night!

    3:42AM � < rjmatz> night josh, thanks much

    3:42AM � < airofina> bye Josh, thank you SO MUCH for stopping by =D

    3:42AM � < equustel> ‘Night, Josh! THANK YOU.

    3:42AM � < LucasZenHannon> Goodnight, sweet prince.

    3:42AM � < Belial69699> Take care Josh

    3:42AM � < kevinj> Thanks Josh and goodnight!

    3:42AM � This trend of goodnights and thank yous continues.

    3:43AM � On That Dude From That Place That We Don�t Like

    3:43AM � < ashman01> so on the richard hack thing… fun that he ended up dead, but I personally make it a rule to only name characters after people I like

    3:43AM �< ashman01> you get so few opportunities, why waste them on people you don’t want to immortalize?

    3:44AM � < ashman01> fun trivia fact

    3:44AM �< ashman01> the picture associated with richard hack… was me.

    3:44AM �< timt2318> so, what’s the deal with this richard hack dude? psycho? i googled him and am going through the results

    3:45AM � < CIsaac> @Ash – That’s really, really unfortunate.

    3:45AM � < ashman01> on the monitor. three photos pop up. the first is me

    3:45AM � < talli> @timt He’s a “fan” who hates the show

    3:47AM � Username Mangling. It happens to all of us.

    3:47AM � < JH> we loves the ass man

    3:47AM � < persia> @ASHMAN are you going to Comic Con as a fan?

    3:47AM � < persia> or for TSCC?

    3:47AM � < ashman01> the uh… ass man?

    3:47AM � < timt2318> what made you josh and dan decide to stop in on the chat?

    3:48AM � < ashman01> persia i go every year

    3:48AM � < kevinj> @ Ash will you be writing for any other shows in the near future or are you exclusively TSCC

    3:48AM � < timt2318> now ashman is the ass man, new profession. he’ll like proctology

    3:48AM � < ashman01> kevin that is a complicated question. I will answer it on monday.

    3:48AM � < ashman01> but

    3:48AM � < cinebo> ass man?? what i miss?

    3:48AM � < ashman01> I will say that zack and I are working on a movie/backdoor pilot for cartoon network

    3:49AM � < ashman01> and we’re writing a very major motion picture that I can’t talk about.

    3:49AM �< kevinj> @Ash really? I will be looking for it

    3:49AM �< ashman01> very, very major

    3:49AM �< hero77> green lantern

    3:49AM � < ashman01> nope

    3:49AM � < hero77> with bag

    3:49AM � < ashman01> I would love to write GL for BAG, but that’s not happening atm

    3:49AM � < Another_french_fan> Don’t forget we love TSCC and Terminator around here

    3:50AM � < Zable> Uhm, what’s a backdoor pilot?

    3:50AM � < ashman01> hi french fan, thanks for dropping in

    3:50AM � < ashman01> its basically a TV movie and if it does well they’ll order a series

    3:50AM � < ashman01> it’s the kind of thing where we’d just write it and then go off and do other things, but consult.

    3:51AM � < rjmatz> @ash is it for adult swim or a normal for kids cartoon?

    3:51AM � < ashman01> wtf is with people calling me ass man?

    3:52AM � < newspeak3> @ash i guess they’re bad spellers

    3:52AM � < ashman01> it’s live action actually

    3:52AM � < ashman01> hey here’s a fun fact

    3:52AM � < ashman01> yuri lowenthal who played sonarman garvin in the 2-parter is the voice of superman on legion of superheroes. he’s also Ben 10 and Naruto,

    3:53AM � < RoxyB> Okay, so with Josh gone, Ash can now tell us everything about the plan for s3, right Ash?

    3:53AM � < ashman01> we went to college together. same freshman hall.

    3:53AM �< RebelFraggle> @ash, so he would have all the dirt on you then?

    3:53AM � < ashman01> I’m not gonna tell you anything about s3 =)

    3:53AM � < ashman01> oh yeah

    3:54AM � < CIsaac> @RoxyB – DENIED

    3:54AM � < RoxyB> it was worth a shot

    3:54AM � < ashman01> ask him about the time we went to see V for Vendetta on my birthday

    3:54AM �< guest_046> Ashley, do you and Zack write head to head (in a room together) or do you divide the work and write separately? I’m always curious how writing with a partner works.

    3:54AM � < ashman01> every partnership works differently. we plan together, write alone.

    3:54AM �< guest_395> what’s the feynman chronicles?

    3:55AM � < persia> How do you know what to writeor you each write a whole episode and crop it together?

    3:55AM � < ashman01> the feynman chronicles is a spec feature we wrote more or less on a dare that ended up selling to disney.

    3:56AM � < ashman01> persia, we split the baby and then put it back together. not always the same scheme for dividing things up

    3:56AM � < ashman01> sometimes it’s by act or group of acts, sometimes by a-b-c story

    3:57AM � < timt2318> is it hard getting into the writing business, ashman?

    3:57AM � < ashman01> we have very similar voices. and we do several polishes to sync things up

    3:57AM � < ashman01> timt: first, thank you for not calling me ass man.

    3:58AM � < timt2318> it was hard, but i didnt

    3:58AM � < ashman01> timt: it’s very hard, but I’m not the guy to ask. I fell out of the sky with a job on andromeda.

    3:58AM �< persia> Have you ever had an idea that you loved and someone else totally hated?

    3:58AM � < ashman01> I THINK YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE, ASS-MAN CALLERS.

    3:58AM �< timt2318> lol, so that was your first writing gig?

    3:59AM � < ashman01> yes timt

    3:59AM �< honestyy> ashman, was it always somehing you wanted to do?

    3:59AM �<~astropixie> And we heart you very much for falling out of the sky with Andromeda.

    3:59AM � < ashman01> yes. it’s what i always wanted to do.

    3:59AM � < ashman01> persia, I feel as though I have those ideas all the time

    4:00AM � < ashman01> or I have ideas that people think are crazy and I must beat them into agreeing with me.

    4:00AM � < ashman01> e.g., the structure of “Mister Ferguson is Ill Today”

    4:01AM � < R> that ep was awesome

    4:01AM � < persia> Oh man and that was an awesome episode

    4:01AM � < newspeak3> @ashman do you have a fav episode?

    4:01AM � < CIsaac> Mr. Ferguson was amazing

    4:01AM � < JH> ep awesome yes

    4:01AM � < ml805> great episode

    4:01AM � < ashman01> dan did a wonderful job with it. but we had to create a whole new method of breaking story just to get it on the board.

    4:03AM � Playing with the minds of fans is fun!

    4:03AM � < ashman01> you guys didn’t get to see my two favorite parts

    4:04AM � < Zokreb> I believe this question has been discussed a million times but : Do we have an idea (explanation) why there has been gossip around the renewal of “chuck”, the renewal of “dollhouse” for some weeks now. we also know for sure which are the new shows that FOX picked up (or dropped) for 2009/2010. But no gossip at all concerning tscc ? I mean, nothing ?

    4:04AM � < cinebo> got i would LOVE to see behind the scenes stuff of the writers room

    4:04AM � < ashman01> first: for budget reasons, we had to cut a lot of cromartie’s attack on the police station. he was supposed to be stymied by the police, say “I’ll be back” in spanish, and then drive his car through the wall.

    4:05AM � < ashman01> zok i wish i knew

    4:05AM �< castellan_craft> OMG that is a tragic loss of a scene

    4:05AM �< CIsaac> That would have been amazing.

    4:05AM � < ashman01> second: the dog’s story.

    4:05AM �< timt2318> the dog?

    4:05AM �< cinebo> lol

    4:05AM �< R> dog’s story. lol.

    4:05AM � < ashman01> there was supposed to be a story from a dog’s POV on the street.

    4:05AM �<~astropixie> Aww that would have been adorable

    4:05AM �< timt2318> are you serious?

    4:05AM � < ashman01> and it was AMAZING

    4:06AM � < timt2318> you’re bullsh*tting

    4:06AM � < ashman01> everyone who heard it simply flipped out.

    4:06AM � < guest_046> Aw, I mourn the loss of the dog’s story.

    4:06AM � < ashman01> I’m not

    4:06AM � < ashman01> you were supposed to see the dog with derek and cameron. think nothing of it. then see the dog’s story at the very, very end.

    4:06AM � < guest_138> wouldn’t the dog be constantly barking at cameron?

    4:07AM � < ashman01> well… the curious thing about the dog in the nighttime…

    4:07AM � < timt2318> dog in the nighttime? pray tell

    4:07AM � < RebelFraggle> I want that part of the script with the dog. We can make crude flash versions for youtube

    4:07AM � < ashman01> if you know your sherlock holmes, you’ll understand everything

    4:08AM � < persia> the hound of the baskerville??

    4:08AM � < ashman01> the curious incident of the dog in the night time…

    4:09AM � < ashman01> now i’m having way too much fun fucking with you.

    4:09AM � < timt2318> f*ck

    4:09AM � < airofina> loll

    4:10AM � < timt2318> i knew you were bullsh*tting about the dog

    4:10AM � <~astropixie> Better to be fucked with by Ash than anyone else, I guess

    4:10AM � < ashman01> what makes me laugh most about fans (in answer to your question) is how eagerly you jump on the tiniest things and explode these huge implications from throwaway lines or shots.

    4:10AM � < ashman01> and btw… it’s awesome

    4:10AM � < CIsaac> Like c-section scars!

    4:10AM � < twistdmentality> we like to see things through

    4:11AM � < ashman01> because I’m a fan, too. I know I’ve been guilty of it.

    4:11AM �< hero77> like the damn basement scene

    4:11AM �< cinebo> ASHMAN that;s because we’re GEEKS! lol

    4:11AM �< CIsaac> Yes, we want to know what happened in the basement so ad.

    4:11AM �< CIsaac> bad, even

    4:12AM � < ashman01> I’d love to tell you that story. but if there’s a season 3, maybe we will.

    4:12AM �< morricone> @ash can you actually be a fan of your own show? and how many times did you watch the episodes?

    4:14AM � < ashman01> I consider myself a fan of the show, because I’m a fan of the franchise. If that’s not obvious from the white house lawn full of easter eggs strewn across our episodes… I don’t know what else to tell you

    4:15AM � < stevenlu> @ash, was there any particular reason as to why there was a huge gap between the basement scene and cameron confirming what happened?

    4:15AM � < ashman01> steven because you wait for the right moment to tell the story or go back to it

    4:16AM � < ashman01> for example… look how we waited forever to have sarah and derek come to terms with the Big Lie about what happened to Kyle and his relationship to John

    4:16AM � < ashman01> and it happened purely by accident, and neither of them wanted to discuss it.

    4:16AM � < ashman01> which felt real and not overblown

    4:16AM � < CIsaac> And Derek died right after.

    4:16AM � < RoxyB> that was awesome

    4:16AM � < CIsaac> Ouch.

    4:17AM – The End

    4:17AM � < ashman01> ok guys. I’

    4:17AM � < ashman01> I will take one or two more Q’s then its bed time

    4:17AM �< RoxyB> @Ash – Is there a reason why the starting point of all the future stuff has been 2027 instead of 2029?

    4:17AM � < ashman01> yes.

    4:17AM �< RoxyB> cool

    4:17AM �< RoxyB> :)

    4:17AM �< RebelFraggle> Thank you for joining us. You rock and we will be following you on twitter. Congrats to you and the misses!

    4:17AM �< persia> Oh bye Thank you so much for your time and answers

    4:17AM � < ashman01> lol i didnt mean for that to be the question

    4:18AM � < ashman01> but you’re very welcome.

    4:18AM �< starkiller> so what was the reason>

    4:18AM �< airofina> thank you Ash for taking the time to talk with all of us! and thank you for this AMAZING show! =D

    4:18AM � < ashman01> the reason is yes.

    4:18AM � < MattLive> @Ashman01 Thanks Ash just dropped in, plenty of interesting stuff has been said. Will be reading the logs. Good night.

    4:18AM �< castellan_craft> You rock ash

    4:18AM �< steel1x1> Thank You Ash!

    4:18AM �< antar> tnx for the chat, ash… ‘Night!

    4:18AM �< RoxyB> Ash, you rock. Hope you get to keep on rocking the show for us

    4:18AM �< rjmatz> thanks much ash

    4:18AM �<~aelysian> Thank you. So much.

    4:18AM �< guest_138> Thanks, ash.

    4:18AM � < ashman01> good night guys. and no matter what happens on monday…

    4:18AM �< twistdmentality> Thanks for this.

    4:19AM � < ashman01> THANK YOU. Your efforts have been truly moving.

    Context: www.savethescc.com runs viewing parties in our chatroom every weekend. Including last night. During which we had some unexpected guests…

    Please note: What you see here is the log from the chatroom, and as such has been heavily edited, but the actual comments made by all members have been reproduced verbatim. Time stamp is Eastern Standard Time. Much thanks to cinebo, m_33 and drek.

    jfhenryJosh Friedman

    ashman01Ashley Edward Miller

    prepschoolrapist/apologeticdanDan Thomsen

    Warning: There IS profanity in the following transcription. Be warned.

    Please do not reproduce this transcript anywhere without permission from the mods.

     

    10:00PM – 11:26PM – Chatroom members watch Born to Run at FOX On Demand and begin watching Ourselves Alone.

    11:26PM EST � jfhenry has joined #savethescc

    11:26PM � 11:36PM � We discuss Ourselves Alone, Josh Friedman�s iron grip on spoilers, FutureJohn/Cameron and plumpynut.

    11:36 PM – < jfhenry> I just want to say that you guys doing this on a saturday night when the show isn’t even on warms my spoiler-hating heart.

    11:36PM – 11:38PM � We ignore jfhenry because we are cynical people that get a lot of strange visitors and discuss the Jesse/Riley fight instead.

    11:38PM � < JH> im the real JH

    11:38PM � < jfhenry> @JH I’m the real JF

    11:38PM � 11:40PM � We continue to ignore jfhenry

    11:40PM � < jfhenry> You can be him, JH, but I wrote him.

    11:40PM � We persist in ignoring jfhenry and talk about bleached skulls, Clorox and how fireworks = Judgment Day. And then things get interesting.

    11:41PM � < jfhenry> I wouldn’t say it was easy. it took us all day to shoot the scene

    11:41PM � < R> jfhenry. Hahaahaha

    11:42PM � < timt2318> well, if friedman had gotten his way riley wouldnt have been introduced until the 7th or 8th ep

    11:42PM � < R> what is ur job on tscc?

    11:42PM � < jfhenry> but I made the most of it didn’t I, timt2318?

    11:42PM � < timt2318> what, jfhenry?

    11:42PM � < timt2318> most of what

    11:42PM � < cinebo> god i hated jesse after this ep

    11:42PM � < jfhenry> riley intro’d in ep 2.

    11:43PM � < RoxyB> Riley was okay at the beginning – kinda fun, but she got dull

    11:43PM � < R> beat her up!

    11:43PM � < beyondmany> dang….

    11:43PM � < timt2318> yep, why you say you made the most of it

    11:43PM � < R> aaaand shes dead

    11:43PM � < timt2318> are you josh friedman….

    11:43PM � < jfhenry> i am

    11:43PM � 11:46PM � That chatroom continues to ignore, the mods start thinking �oh no, here we go, another weirdo� and the chat turns to John/Cameron and the pocket watch killswitch.

    11:46PM � < jfhenry> @timt thought I’d come by and say thanks to everyone.

    11:46PM � < timt2318> thanks for what, jfhenry

    11:46PM � < jfhenry> for supporting my show

    11:46PM � What are the rest of us doing? Still talking about Ourselves Alone

    11:47PM � < timt2318> ah. well if you are josh friedman why dont you convice fox to renew it tomorrow

    11:47PM � < jfhenry> i am josh friedman and I can’t even convince you I am.

    11:47PM � < aelysian> I am God and I can’t even convince you I am.

    11:47PM � < RoxyB> Yeah and I’m Lena Headey

    11:47PM � < cinebo> hey i’ll believe it

    11:47PM � < JH> then why is ur name henry?

    11:48PM � < timt2318> becasue were on a chat

    11:48PM � < R> and i’m thomas dekker

    11:48PM � < astropixie> I’m Summer Glau

    11:48PM � < RoxyB> Damn – so it’s just all us show people in here. Where the hell are the fans?!

    11:48PM � 11:51PM � the conversation continues on this trend until…

    11:51PM � < jfhenry> send an email on my public email. ——-@gmail.com. I’ll respond on this chat.

    11:51PM � < cinebo> LOL

    11:51PM � < persia> do it cinebo

    11:51PM � < starkiller> if its really him he should tweet something now

    11:51PM � < R> starkiller good idea

    11:51PM � < persia> sen an email

    11:51PM � < timt2318> even better, post what you’re doing right now on twitter

    11:51PM � < R> jh if it’s really u tweet a hello for us here

    11:51PM � < R> *jf

    11:51PM � < astropixie> Yes, tweet for us

    11:51PM � < RoxyB> YEAH!

    11:52PM � < jfhenry> done (Note: You can find his tweet here.)

    11:52PM � < aelysian> Well this is getting interesting.

    11:52PM � < persia> No Fucking WAY!!!

    11:52PM � < persia> It really is

    11:52PM � < astropixie> Dude, we were so close to blocking you

    11:52PM � < RoxyB> OMFG

    11:52PM � < astropixie> Just so you know

    11:52PM � < twistdmentality> Holy crap

    11:52PM � < cinebo> holy sh*t

    11:52PM � < RoxyB> Coolness

    11:52PM � < drek> OMG

    11:52PM � < R> omg

    11:52PM � < cinebo> NIIIIICE!

    11:52PM � < R> we love uuuuuu

    11:52PM � < jfhenry> well that would’ve been ironic

    11:52PM � < persia> Breathe!!!

    11:52PM � < timt2318> holy shit

    11:52PM � < drek> we love you

    11:52PM � < starkiller> OMG

    11:52PM � < drek> JF!

    11:53PM � < aelysian> Someone grab me a defibrillator.

    11:53PM � < timt2318> josh f*cking friedman

    11:53PM � < jfhenry> like I said, I appreciate the dedication. so i stopped by.

    11:53PM � < drek> hahah

    11:53PM � < twistdmentality> sonofabitch, my heart is pounding

    11:53PM � < aelysian> Dear god. We almost kicked him out.

    11:53PM � < cinebo> yeah the hell with coffe lol

    11:53PM � < timt2318> dude, this is awesome – fan interaction

    11:53PM � < twistdmentality> this is like epic geekery happening right now

    11:54PM � The chatroom seems to find its senses. Sort of.

    11:54PM � < timt2318> Josh, is there anything fans can do to help ensure a season 3

    11:54PM � < jfhenry> You’ve done all you can do re S3. Whatever happens, happens.

    11:54PM � < cinebo> man either way Josh thanks so much for everything…it’s been awesome!

    11:55PM � < jfhenry> If you guys would’ve blocked me it would’ve been awesome. It would’ve given me something to tweet about

    11:55PM � < astropixie> So, is there anything else we should be doing before Monday?

    11:55PM � < timt2318> josh, have you thought about a fan funded season 3?

    11:55PM � < R> jf ur so cool for showing up here. how did u hear about this viewing party?

    11:55PM � < aelysian> This mod is about to fall over and *die*

    11:55PM � < persia> I’m so glad I didn’t go to bed

    11:56PM � < cinebo> right?

    11:56PM � < twistdmentality> Stay alive! Enjoy the moment

    11:56PM � < astropixie> This mod feels like the biggest frakking tool

    11:56PM � < m_33> who needs to go to bed…. sunrises here.

    11:56PM � < RoxyB> Ausiello would’ve had a breaking news story “TSCC FANS REJECT SHOWRUNNER ON EVE OF DECISION”

    11:56PM � < JH> everyone say thank you to the mods for puttin up with us

    11:56PM � < cinebo> LOL

    11:56PM � < drek> lol roxy

    11:56PM � < drek> yeah thanks mods

    11:56PM � < jfhenry> cristina moreno tweeted about it

    11:56PM � < drek> thanks JF for showing up!

    11:56PM � < cinebo> Yes definitely Josh thanks so much for showing up!!

    11:56PM � < aelysian> While oxygen is still in my bloodstream…thank you so, so much. For simply everything.

    11:56PM � < jfhenry> thanks to all of you for caring so much

    11:56PM � 11:58PM � The chatroom cheers for Josh. It�s very geeky and does not require reproduction here.

    11:58PM � < drek> Josh what do you think about the dollhouse pickup?

    11:59PM � < jfhenry> @drek Happy for them. 20th owns the show so it’s a different calculus than SCc

    11:59PM � < timt2318> could TSCC be picked up by the CW if fox stupidly passes

    11:59PM � < drek> or Sci-Fi even

    12:00AM � < jfhenry> @timt doubt it. CW doesn’t have the cash to make the show

    12:00AM � < jfhenry> you mean SyFy

    12:00AM � The number of users in the chatroom is steadily rising and the topic of fansites comes up.

    12:01AM � < R> the blog run by the writers is the best

    12:02AM � < jfhenry> hadley does a great job

    12:02AM � ashman01 has joined #savethescc

    12:03AM � < ashman01> Let me guess, jfhenry is friedman

    12:03AM � < jfhenry> hey buddy

    12:04AM � the topic of twinkies comes up.

    12:04AM � < jfhenry> Ash and the writes made me a cake out of twinkies and ding dongs for my birthday. the awesomeest

    12:05AM � < ashman01> it was more awesome than awesome.

    12:05AM � < R> JF any plans for another golden apple visit for s2 dvd?

    12:05AM � < jfhenry> @RI’m up for it if someone organizes it. if we don’t have a show it’ll be dubious

    12:07AM � on the mods� near failure and plot points.

    12:07AM � < jfhenry> they almost kicked me out ash

    12:07AM � < ashman01> I heard. I was quite amused. story breaks would have been much different if we’d had that power irl.

    12:07AM � < ashman01> e.g., I’m quite certain Sarah would have been reunited with her father during a bank heist.

    12:07AM � < jfhenry> No shit Ash. No shit.

    12:07AM � < ashman01> for the record, I would have voted no.

    12:07AM � < jfhenry> Easy to say now. but I believe you, ash.

    12:10AM � on Shirley Manson, Toni Graphia and �Donald Where�s Your Trousers?�

    12:10AM � < phikappa> Hey JF, in her appearance on Craig Ferguson, Shirley Manson said she was out of the job. She scared me.

    12:10AM � < jfhenry> well, she’s not getting paid currently. so, technically. she is out of a job.

    12:10AM � < RoxyB> Shirley Manson is always hilarious on Craig Ferguson

    12:10AM � < ashman01> what she meant was that Garbage told her they wanted a new lead singer.

    12:11AM � < jfhenry> they’re making a transcript, ash.

    12:11AM � < ashman01> oops

    12:11AM � < thisyearsgirl> hahha yeah garbage wants ashlee simpson to join now. no more shirley

    12:11AM � < ashman01> i’m not saying fuck nearly enough.

    12:11AM � < astropixie> Don’t make us kick you off, ash. Profanity is against the rules.

    12:12AM � < ashman01> shit. seriously?

    12:12AM � < astropixie> Fuck no, not right now

    12:12AM � < phikappa> I want to hear Shirley seen Donald Where’s Your Trousers. Seriously, how did y’all choose that song to use?

    12:12AM � < jfhenry> ash and I are the biggest users of the word fuck that I know.

    12:13AM � < jfhenry> toni graphia found that song.

    12:13AM � < aelysian> Maybe it’s bad to fangirl someone when someone who knows them is right there, but…Toni Graphia is much loved by us Cameron fans. MUCH LOVED.

    12:13AM � < phikappa> It was so out of place, but so creepy. And it’s a fucking drinking song.

    12:13AM � < astropixie> We heart Toni Graphia

    12:13AM � < twistdmentality> Toni Graphia is fucking awesome

    12:14AM � < jfhenry> yeah I made them sing it like a dirge.

    12:14AM � < heroeswench> No matter what happens I want to say thanks to both of you guys for such a great series. I have never fought this hard for a show before and it is cause of the greatness you guys have written along with everyone else who writes for the show.

    12:14AM � < jfhenry> we appreciate it.

    12:15AM � < ashman01> thank josh. we’d be knee deep in long lost relatives and terminators of the week without him.

    12:15AM � < ashman01> ok, so maybe there are a COUPLE long lost relatives

    12:15AM � < ashman01> at least one. maybe two.

    12:15AM � < ashman01> ok… three. but three, tops.

    12:17AM � On The Much Anticipated/Dreaded Monday

    12:17AM � < astropixie> So we’re still calling, emailing, and emailing advertisers…can you guys suggest anything else that we could be doing before Monday?

    12:17AM � < jfhenry> get on your knees and pray.

    12:17AM � < ashman01> oh, bash away. trust us, we’re pros. we’re pretty good at bashing back.

    12:17AM � 12:20AM � The chatroom frets about Monday, Dollhouse, and the all consuming need for Season Three.

    12:20AM � < jfhenry> Usually I’ve got eighteen Summer questions by now. Don’t start.

    12:20AM � < ashman01> josh… did you see the video that jweggers posted on youtube? did everyone see that?

    12:20AM � < usagiko> omg it was great

    12:20AM � < cinebo> yes ashman

    12:20AM � < gregsky> yes, it’s niice

    12:20AM � < drek> Yeah JF did you see the video we made “i am sarah connor” and “We are the resistance”

    12:21AM � < GKnee77> yes ash GREAT vid he did

    12:21AM � < Paty> BRASIL LOVES TSCC

    12:21AM � < cinebo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAJJxqeNMjE

    12:21AM � < timepassedyouby> If you’re talking about that trailer for the show, I saw it and LOVED it.

    12:21AM � < jfhenry> I did see the vids. thanks. they’re great.

    12:20AM � 12:24AM � The chatroom is suddenly flooded with people and coherent conversation is near impossible. Snippets of evidence below…

    12:24AM � < jfhenry> I usually just cruise around the net making sure Ash and Zack aren’t spoiling things.

    12:24AM � < persia> @ JOSH FRIEDMAN is this like the worst fan convention you’ve ever been too?

    12:24AM � < prepschoolrapist> Hey Ash. Twitter told me to do this.

    12:24AM � < ashman01> the skynext podcasts are awesome.

    12:24AM � < heroeswench> LOL. Ash and Zack behave pretty well.

    12:24AM � < jfhenry> I know but they’re fun to tease.

    12:25AM � < rafabra> Brazilians love the TSCC

    12:26AM � < schmacky> holy hell there’s a lot of people in here!

    12:26AM � < kevinj> this is slow, 10th wonder had 300 people in theirs

    12:26AM � < ashman01> maybe they did have 300 people, but did they have 300 awesome people? I think not.

    12:27AM � < heroeswench> So, if Fox disappoints us, are there hopes for other outlets Josh? Where do we start?

    12:28AM � < jfhenry> If Fox says no I think we’re done. I know no one wants to hear that, but zI think that’s the case.

    12:28AM � < astropixie> Good question, heroes. What should we do if the news on Monday is bad?

    12:28AM � < thisyearsgirl> I think if TSCC gets canceled it should infiltrate Scrubs and take over that show entirely. And Melrose Place. And 90210.

    12:28AM � < Bleek> Just want to say: Save The Chronicles!

    12:28AM � < ashman01> right now I’m testing out a strategy of feigning disinterest

    12:28AM � < usagiko> What’s the chance of another network picking us up if we get canceled?

    12:28AM � < prepschoolrapist> I hear Starz is a lovely place to work

    12:29AM � < ashman01> here’s what you do if the show doesn’t get a pick up. be glad you had 31 episodes you really enjoyed, and that it left you wanting more.

    12:29AM � < kevinj> @Josh, thank you for a GREAT show, and I think FOX will give you another seasojn

    12:29AM � 12:30AM � Talk descends into the land of how to Save Sarah Connor and turns to the Dollhouse pickup.

    12:30AM � < jfhenry> No reason to focus on Dollhouse. Any show picked up is one spot less. Be happy if Fox supports any quirky SF. No one else does right now.

    12:30AM � < thisyearsgirl> Because Fox only has a limited number of shows they can pick up. Dollhouse and TSCC both got not great ratings. I wouldnt think theyd pick up two shows with not good ratings.

    12:30AM � < prepschoolrapist> My dinner tonight was turkey lunch meat wrapped around a cheddarjack cheese stick and some teajava and it made me think of Josh Friedman.

    12:31AM � < persia> @JOSH FRIEDMAN what is a question you are sick of hearing?

    12:32AM � < jfhenry> @persia, well, if we don’t get picked up Monday i figure no one’ll ask me another question for the resst of my life. So why complain?

    12:33AM � < thisyearsgirl> Dollhouse got a lot better after the first few episodes. It’s going to be a good show. But DH and TSCC together were a great night, IMO

    12:33AM � < cinebo> @JOSH FRIEDMAN nah man you’re a genius for creating TSCC, we’ll watch anything you make dude

    12:33AM � < ashman01> technically, we ended on an up trend. DH ended down, more or less falling off a cliff with the Prison Break lead-in. We can empathize.

    12:34AM � < jfhenry> The show cost 2.7 the first year, and avg’d out below 3 mill the second year. about the same or a little less than dirty sexy money, pushing daises, the like.

    12:34AM � < cinebo> @ASHMAN – wow is this what your twitter looks like every day dude?

    12:34AM – prepschoolrapist was kicked from #savethescc by aelysian [aelysian]. Yes. We kicked out Dan Thomsen. In our defence, we didn�t know it was him.

    12:34AM � < ashman01> more or less cinebo

    12:35AM � < ashman01> except I say fuck a lot more on twitter.

    12:36AM � < ggmarie1234> @josh and ash…i just wanted to give you props for casting jj as kyle…i’d never seen T:SCC or any of the terminator movies until you cast him and i just luuuv him. and now i am totally, totally sucked into the fandom. *hugs terminator in all its incarnations*

    12:36AM � < LordByronX> does warner/sony anyone help w/ the bills since the movie?

    12:36AM � < jfhenry> @lordbyron No.

    12:36AM � < ashman01> I’ll tell you what… we had a lot of really great writers on TSCC. But you know who really sucked, Josh? Dan Thomsen.

    12:36AM � < ashman01> Dan Thomsen blows dead bears.

    12:37AM � < jfhenry> Did he just show up in here?

    12:37AM � < ashman01> he may have, Josh. He may have.

    12:38AM � < jfhenry> is he the one to drunk to type?

    12:38AM � 12:39AM � Inebriation is discussed, which morphs into discussion about what Monday will hold for everyone.

    12:39AM � < jfhenry> I’ll be at therapist at 8am, deli for lox and eggs with john wirth at 930. Home by eleven working on a spec.

    12:40AM � Documenting aelysian�s brilliance and getting the backstory.

    12:40AM � < ashman01> who kicked prepschoolrapist?

    12:40AM � < apologeticDan> Ash, I’m back

    12:40AM � < ashman01> lol

    12:40AM � < apologeticDan> apparently the kick didn’t block my IP

    12:40AM � < apologeticDan> yay

    12:40AM � < ashman01> nice

    12:41AM � <astropixie> For the record, aelysian did.

    12:41AM � < ashman01> the unfortunately named aforementioned prepschoolrapist is in actuality young Dan Thomsen.

    12:41AM � < ashman01> cute, ain’t he?

    12:41AM � < jfhenry> oh. I didn’t look at the name. that’s what I said dan looked like when I met him.

    12:41AM � < phikappa> Dan Thomsen is a prepschool rapist?

    12:41AM � < apologeticDan> I think it was the combination of my green font and my nonsequitor references to Josh’s preferred foods during the season

    12:41AM � < ashman01> lol josh

    12:41AM � 12:44AM � We realize how freaking lucky we are.

    12:43AM � < cinebo> yeah it’s cool to just talk to you guys like it’s no big deal….

    12:43AM � < ashman01> well, we appreciate every crazy thing you crazy fuckers have done to show the love.

    12:44AM � < ggmarie1234> ash, dan, josh, will u guys know before us on monday? or do find out when fox announces it, like us minions?

    12:44AM � <~astropixie> Hee. We’re crazy fuckers.

    12:44AM � < phikappa> JH, that makes you more interesting. You’re just like us only you are the geniuses behind TSCC. Your celebrities that aren’t arrogant.

    12:44AM � < GKnee77> @Ash I already explained you and Josh are like Jesus to us fans, remember Josh and Jesus fighting crime together

    12:44AM � < ashman01> now there’s a name for a fan movement, am I right?

    12:44AM � < usagiko> @ashman: oh yes

    12:44AM � < jfhenry> There is no plan for Monday. I know that seems bizarre. But I figure someone’ll find me if they need me.

    12:44AM � < ashman01> Trekkies. Browncoats. Crazy Fuckers.

    12:45AM � <astropixie> We’re the Resistance, bitches.

    12:45AM � < timt2318> Ashman, i think Demented Crazy F*ckers is more apt

    12:45AM � < m_33> ashman : We are the resistance.

    12:45AM � < cinebo> @ASHMAN dude that’s how badass you guys and tscc are, you bring out the “crazy f**kers” in us ; )

    12:46AM � < ashman01> I love LA. It’s the greatest city on Earth. All you need to do is go to the Studio City Hand Car Wash, hang out for like an hour and you’ll understand this in its fullness.

    12:47AM � < apologeticDan> @ash The car wash with the giant hand on Ventura?

    12:47AM � < ashman01> the very one

    12:47AM � < Tom> So you ‘ll just get a phone call on Monday? Or what?

    12:47AM � < apologeticDan> I used to live on the hill above that place.

    12:47AM � < apologeticDan> Sunshine Terrace. A weird, weird place.

    12:47AM � < LucasZenHannon> @ash, I see your LA’s Studio City Car Wash and raise you NYC’s Union Square.

    12:47AM � < ashman01> chicago is cold and smells weird, the chicks aren’t hot and they all wear parkas all the fucking time anyway

    12:47AM � < jfhenry> @Tom I guess. WB asked me to write up two different press releases, one for if we get picked up and one if we didn’t. I’ve written neither.

    12:47AM � < ashman01> plus, no good sushi

    12:48AM � < thecrusader> Shirley Manson had said that she was an unemployed actress. People wondered what that meant

    12:48AM � < ashman01> my apologies if you’re from chicago and you happen to be hot.

    12:48AM � < timt2318> you’re crazy, Ashman. you’re on the wrong side of town.

    12:48AM � < jfhenry> I’m not writing a press release until I know what’s going on and how I feel about what’s going on.

    12:49AM � On spoilers, Monday, and internet personalities.

    12:49AM � < jfhenry> @tehcrusader you know more than I do. I’m going to brunch with my family and then to the laker game.

    12:49AM � < ashman01> oh and for the record? speaking of leaks? — —– can smurf my smurf.

    12:50AM � < RoxyB> on the count of 3 everyone send a psychic message to Kevin Reilly to renew TSCC

    12:50AM � < RoxyB> ready?

    12:50AM � < RoxyB> 1

    12:50AM � < RoxyB> 2

    12:50AM � < RoxyB> 3

    12:50AM � < usagiko> @ashman: What about Ausiello?

    12:50AM � < ashman01> shit there’s gonna be a transcript.

    12:50AM � < apologeticDan> @ash I want Perez to referee your death match

    12:50AM � < ashman01> ausiello is just doing his job. you know, something he gets paid to do by a real media outlet.

    12:51AM � < ashman01> he actually has said some nice things about us. but he seems to be obsessed with our demise.

    12:52AM � < apologeticDan> The only thing I found out about Ausiello at the TCA press tour last year is that he doesn’t like to be touched. (Let’s see if that one gets picked up somewhere…)

    12:53 � And the topic of fanfic comes up. Joy. It�s like discussing the Bible with God. Or something.

    12:53AM � < ashman01> I personally avoid fanfic like the plague. Although I’ve met some fans who went on to become pros.

    12:54AM � < jfhenry> I’ve never read fanfic. NEVER.

    12:54AM � < nlynn> @ashman Any examples?

    12:54AM � < schmacky> i think what i love about the wiki the most is how everyone is an expert on what would make this show THE BEST..

    12:54AM � < apologeticDan> I used to write Trek fanfic when I was a teenager. :)

    12:54AM � < cinebo> @JFHENRY some of the fanfic…yeah…interesting stuff lol

    12:54AM � <aelysian> Is love really the right word there, Schmacky?

    12:55AM � < RoxyB> Did anyone ever read a fanfic at fanfiction.net called “— —- ——-“? WORST FANFIC EVER

    12:55AM � < ashman01> fuck, you guys found my short story “— —- — ——–”???

    12:55AM � < Raingin> LOL @ ashman

    12:55AM � < cinebo> LOL

    12:56AM � < persia> :D

    12:56AM � On fan theories, original fiction and shipping.

    12:56AM � < jfhenry> My favorite fan theory is about how I hate Cameron/Summer and deliberately shsut her out of the middle of th season.

    12:56AM � < ashman01> “Who are you?” “I’m here to optimize your climate control.” “But I don’t have climate control.” “I know.”

    12:56AM � < ashman01> BOW CHIKA BOW BOW

    12:56AM � < schmacky> @josh.. OH MY GOD! that’s when i went crazy in there. literally. all that crap drove me NUTS

    12:56AM � <~aelysian> Psh. No one can hate Cameron/Summer.

    12:56AM � < ashman01> thats an excerpt from my damn story

    12:56AM � < timt2318> it’s unique

    12:57AM � < timt2318> i’m definitiely not going to read that, ashman…

    12:57AM � < timepassedyouby> I thought the story was that you lost her phone number, Josh? :P

    12:57AM � < RoxyB> @aesylian – you do realized you just shipped summer with teh character she plays, right?

    12:57AM � < RoxyB> LOL

    12:57AM � < schmacky> LOL

    12:57AM � <aelysian> …let’s not get into my ships, shall we?

    12:57AM � <astropixie> Good to know I’m not the only person who noticed that and is completely warped by the internet

    12:58AM � < RoxyB> I’m shipping John/Catherine for season 3

    12:58AM � < jfhenry> Well it is a logical theory. I tried to work with her for five years, wrote the part for her, cast her…hmm. I must hate her.

    12:58AM � < ashman01> summer/cameron slash fiction

    12:58AM � < Tom> When is the announcement on Monday?

    12:58AM � < ggmarie1234> we think 1-3 california time, tom

    12:58AM � < ashman01> like that trek short story about kirk and spock beaming onto the set of star trek

    12:58AM � < ashman01> it’s awesome — i think James Blish wrote it

    12:59AM � < LucasZenHannon> This conversation took a turn into hell.

    12:59AM � < cinebo> @ASHMAN where is THAT story cuz that sounds interesting lol

    12:59AM � < phikappa> Good night. JH, Ash. I’m rooting for you. Ash’s baby needs a 3rd season. The fans need a third season. And JH needs to get his story told

    12:59AM � < apologeticDan> it’s kind of the logical extension of the cameron/allison slash that John was going to write in season three

    1:00AM � < schmacky> it’s funny.. my sister walked outta Star Trek thinkin Kirk and Spock had some chemistry… i thought she was crazy, but maybe she was onto something..

    1:00AM � < ashman01> i’ll tell you what my plan is

    1:00AM � < ashman01> BFM. Big martini.

    1:00AM � < apologeticDan> @schmacky… dude… the ONLY two other male characters in genre who have more chemistry than Kirk and Spock are Clark and Lex

    1:02AM � On Master Plans

    1:02AM � < ggmarie1234> so josh are you going to tell us your plan or was that a tease?!

    1:02AM � < jfhenry> I was never going to tell you my plan.

    1:02AM � < RoxyB> what plan? WHAT PLAN?!

    1:03AM � < thecrusader> Yeah what plan?

    1:03AM � <~astropixie> He’s a cylon, of course he has a plan.

    1:02AM � 1:07AM � On the Finale, Thomas Dekker, and pancakes

    1:07AM � < jfhenry> the three people most responsible for the finale are in this chatroom. if dan is stillhere.

    1:07AM � < ggmarie1234> in the john/cameron scene when he started digging around inside her chest…did john say it was “gold” or “cold”?

    1:08AM � < apologeticDan> @Josh… still here, multitasking on Twitter

    1:08AM � < jfhenry> cold

    1:08AM � < apologeticDan> Well the thing is I’m a very creative guy so I came up with “@danielthomsen”

    1:09AM � < RoxyB> @castellan – the ickiness was in the similarity to the pilot scene when Sarah’s sitting on John’s bed

    1:09AM � < schmacky> the first time i watched the cam/john scene i was like “wtf?” and the second time it just made me giggle

    1:10AM � < jfhenry> roxyB I had actually writtenthe wakeup part of that scene a word or two different and Thomas asked if he could change it to be like the pilot scene. smart thomas.\

    1:10AM � < Tom> Jose you let your actors change dialogue?!?! WTF?! jk

    1:11AM � < jfhenry> @Tom actually, I don’t. But I was on the set and he asked nicely.

    1:11AM � <~astropixie> For someone who is regularly attacked by guyliner, yeah, Thomas seems pretty smart.

    1:12AM � < jfhenry> Thomas is extremely smart. And the best student of the franchise.

    1:12AM � < persia> @ASHMAN01 is there a reason for all the pancake making?? Did you guys routinely miss breakfast?

    1:13AM � < ashman01> you have no idea the pancake scene that did NOT make it into the show

    1:13AM � < jfhenry> Pancaking+the beautiful monotony of parents/providing for your kids.

    1:13AM � < RebelFraggle> @ashman NOW you HAVE to tell us

    1:14AM � < apologeticDan>Can we all agree that Thomas’s most amazing work was in Star Trek: Generations? That’s actually what I complimented him on when I first met him.

    1:14AM � < apologeticDan> “Come to dinner, pa pa.”

    1:14AM � < ashman01> wtf was thomas in generations?

    1:14AM � < apologeticDan> @Ash — DUDE, he played Picard’s hallucinated son!

    1:14AM � < timt2318> actually, pancakes were my favorite food… then ashman ruined it for me

    1:15AM � < antar> @dan: seriously? dont remember him

    1:15AM � < apologeticDan> @antar: Yup. I imdb’d him when I got hired on the show and saw that credit and it all came rushing back to me. I’ve actually seen Generations more times than I should admit.

    1:16AM � On former FBI Agent James Ellison

    1:16AM � < schmacky> Ellison love was lost sometime during S2

    1:16AM � <aelysian> Schmacky – when he got dumb?

    1:16AM � < schmacky> aelysian@ yeah about that time

    1:17AM � < ashman01> as it turns out, ellison was the smartest guy on the show. but that’s a whole other discussion.

    1:17AM � < schmacky> @ash.. was he really? or was it simply by accident? lol

    1:17AM � < cinebo> @ASHMAN see thats why we need season 3 lol..to explore that discussion ; )

    1:17AM � < jfhenry> They key to not spilling secrets is not telling anybody

    1:18AM � <~astropixie> The main thing I grew to dislike about Ellison was how mean he was to John Henry. John Henry, my new favourite character of all time. Garret Dillahunt is amazing.

    1:18AM � < ashman01> nothing to share. pretty self-evident.

    1:18AM � < ashman01> but I leave that to you.

    1:19AM � < apologeticDan> Ellison is a very relaxed man. I’m on board with the way he carries himself through freaky, freaky times.

    1:19AM � On Garret Dillahunt being everywhere, Optimism, and FOX

    1:19AM � < Raingin> Garret is in the 4400 too, apparently. XD

    1:19AM � < LucasZenHannon> Whenever I see him I yell “BeastWizard”

    1:19AM � < LucasZenHannon> Is that wrong?

    1:20AM � < ashman01> garrett was amazing on Life. He’s amazing whatever he does,

    1:20AM � < apologeticDan> Oh speaking of 4400 — Ash, did you know that Ira is running “Crash” on Starz now???

    1:20AM � < ashman01> he could be amazing on prison break

    1:20AM � < ashman01> yeah dan.

    1:20AM � < RebelFraggle> They are making a TV movie for Prison Break now

    1:20AM � < apologeticDan> Doug auditioned for him yesterday.

    1:20AM � < apologeticDan> He was being very Ira

    1:21AM � < RoxyB> I vote for a TV movie if we don’t get a 3rd season

    1:21AM � < jfhenry> there willbe no tv movie. no cw. no SyFy. It’s either a third season on Fox or we all curl up with or DVDs and move on.

    1:22AM � < ashman01> I will curl up with my blu-rays.

    1:22AM � <~astropixie> Way to quash dreams and make babies cry, Josh.

    1:23AM � < persia> @ASHMAN01 has a baby to support we have to get a 3rd season!

    1:23AM � < jfhenry> I just want to be as real as I can. I love that you guys are so optimistic and passionate and I don’t want you in more torture than you have to be.

    1:23AM � < usagiko> in the words of Dekker, Daddy’s got bills to pay.

    1:23AM � < ashman01> my baby will be fine. I have a number of top secret things happening that should keep him in Gerber’s for a while.

    1:23AM � < Tom> Josh, when was the last time you spoke to anybody from Fox?

    1:25AM � < jfhenry> @Tom: I can’t remember. Maybe a month.

    1:25AM � < kevinj> @Josh and Ash do you guys want a full season or 13 episode pickup?

    1:25AM � < Tom> UGH – did this happen last year just like this Josh?

    1:26AM � < jfhenry> Full season. Although in general I think 22 eps at a network pace is too much/too fast.

    1:26AM � < apologeticDan> Agreed.

    1:26AM � < morricone> I heard that networks are not really signing for full seasons anymore

    1:26AM � < jfhenry> @Tom: Fox didn’t give us a pick up until the last possible minute the first year. And that held true between front thirteen and back nine.

    1:27AM � < kevinj> @josh Ash Dan maybe they’ll give you a full season with a January start like Lost

    1:27AM � < apologeticDan> @morricone I think it’s more situational… certain genres of shows are fine for 22, like CSI or 90210.

    1:27AM � < ashman01> honestly I think 13 is a much better number for a TV season

    1:28AM � < LucasZenHannon> Ash/Josh… if you DO get picked up for a third season, would you write it as if it were the end of the series, just in case?

    1:28AM � < jfhenry> @Lucas Didn’t we just do that?

    1:28AM � < persia> I loved Alpine Fields as a stand alone

    1:28AM � < ashman01> lucas, I would write whatever the fuck josh tells me to write.

    1:28AM � < apologeticDan> Alpine Fields love!!

    1:29AM � < timt2318> josh, ashman, dan, how much influence did fox have in season 2? i know they were behind the riley thing but what else?

    1:29AM � < ashman01> yes, the most hilarious part of Alpine Fields was the pile of dead babies. Good times.

    1:30AM � < jfhenry> @timt:S2 was ours. Fox did want more standalone, hence the bloody wall. But we shook loose of that after a bit.

    1:31AM � On DVD Commentary, the winning qualities of James Middleton and Brian Austin Green

    1:31AM � < morricone> Josh, Ash can you tell us anything about the season 2 dvd, like will there be commentary tracks etc?

    1:31AM � < Sadguylol> JOSH is in here ? whats his name ?

    1:31AM � < ashman01> his name is Josh

    1:32AM � < ashman01> duh

    1:32AM � < jonh611> I really hope Fox doesn’t fuck up my Monday, and everyone else’s Monday

    1:32AM � < jfhenry> great stuff on s2 dvd. commentaries, lots of special docs. they spent a day filming us in the writers room. good stuff.

    1:33AM � < cinebo> @JOSH awesome!

    1:33AM � < RoxyB> ya – love comentary

    1:33AM � < morricone> wohoo great

    1:33AM � < kevinj> @Josh Ash Dan how have the season 2 preorders been?

    1:33AM � < jfhenry> @kevinj Don’t know.

    1:34AM � < guest_216> I love that FBI scene with the Johnny Cash song it was EPIC

    1:35AM � < Snarf> The Man Comes Around

    1:35AM � < jfhenry> The JOhnny Cash thing will probably go down as my favorite thing. Mostly my favorite because the studio didn’t want us to use the song. I was on strike so I couldn’t argue for it but james Middleton stuck his foot in the ground and made sure it happend.

    1:35AM � < kevinj> @Josh Ash Dan #14 and #20 on amazon for Season 2 DVDs

    1:36AM � < airofina> Any chance Allison from Palmdale is one of the episodes that has a commentary?

    1:36AM � < ashman01> and if you’ve ever seen james middleton, you’d realize he has freakishly small feet. So this was quite an accomplishment.

    1:36AM � < jfhenry> Al from the P is a commentary ep.

    1:37AM � < apologeticDan> Small feet/Big Heart: The James Middleton Story

    1:37AM � < schmacky> @josh.. mind tellin us what other eps have commentary?

    1:37AM � < jfhenry> Samson and Delilah, Adam Raised a Cain, Born to Run

    1:38AM � < apologeticDan> No Ferguson commentary. :-/

    1:38AM � < scarlett> I love how TSCC made B.A.G into a total bad ass

    1:38AM � < ashman01> so does BAG

    1:38AM � < thecrusader> Was it hard to cast a new actor for Kyle Reese?

    1:39AM � < jfhenry> BAG is a badass.

    1:39AM � < apologeticDan> BAG has twitter?

    1:39AM � < jfhenry> It was the last thing we did creatively before we went on strike. Were you in casting Ash or was it Zack? it was literally the last freaking second.

    1:39AM � < twistdmentality> BAG said in a podcast that he’s keeping far away from twitter

    1:40AM � < apologeticDan> Yeah, seems unlikely that he’d twitter.

    1:40AM � < jfhenry> @starkiller I offered to do commentaries on every ep on s! but they wouldn’t let me. They told me no one cares about them.

    1:41AM � < apologeticDan> All I remember about right before the strike was we were in the middle of Vick’s Chip, Josh gave that speech, I shook Miller Tobins’ hand and took a picture of my office then, you know, left.

    1:41AM � < CJ> Josh you should do them as a podcast like Ron Moore did for BSG

    1:41AM � < jfhenry> @CJ I was going to but they discouraged me.

    1:41AM � < scarlett> I love commentaries but people think I am crazy

    1:42AM � < jfhenry> The hardest thing about filming BTR was knowing the last day was the HK crash and praying we didn’t fuck it up. Also, it was a very emotional time for the actors and everyone and people were a little on edge. But on top of their game.

    1:43AM � < thecrusader> Why was it an emotional time?

    1:43AM � < jfhenry> cuz it was the last ep of season.

    1:43AM � < ashman01> forgive me, I’m tanking an Ulduar raid while I do this.

    1:45AM � On Derek and Jesse, C-Sections and Australian Accents

    1:45AM � < timt2318> so, did derek kill jesse or is that left up to the viewer to decide

    1:45AM � < jfhenry> @tint that is up to you my friend.

    1:46AM � < ashman01> I think we ended on an ambiguous note for a reason.

    1:47AM � <~aelysian> Ambiguous is definitely a word for it. One of many.

    1:47AM � < schmacky> yeah.. so the debate can live on forever. weeee

    1:47AM � < RebelFraggle> @ashman I love that you left that up to the viewer

    1:47AM � < ashman01> you tell us if jesse’s dead. only derek reese knows for sure.

    1:47AM � <~astropixie> To the shock and mutters of therapy from my parents, I sprang up from the couch and shouted, “I have to go online and post on my livejournal!” after Born to Run

    1:48AM � < apologeticDan> @astro My parents used to read over my shoulder because they were so paranoid about the strange “science fiction” stuff I was into. I was a bad kid.

    1:48AM � < persia> Wait did SC give herself a c-section? we had a long discussion @JF

    1:48AM � < ashman01> and THIS is why josh is wise not to want to tell you things that aren’t on screen. you’d have no fun at all.

    1:48AM � < timt2318> how bad were you apologeticdan?

    1:49AM � < morricone> @ash that’s true but we just _can’t_ stop asking

    1:49AM � < jfhenry> i’m not going to answer story details. at least no the ones I don’t want to.

    1:49AM � < apologeticDan> @timt Well I could show you the binder of starships I designed for the Trek RPG I used to be a member of..

    1:51AM � < starkiller> we had a long discussion here about the c section in the jungle

    1:51AM � < LucasZenHannon> Did anyone else notice Jesse’s American accent when she met with Sarah?

    1:51AM � < thecrusader> Yep

    1:51AM � < usagiko> yes

    1:51AM � < jfhenry> that’s funny cuz we didn’t

    1:51AM � < LucasZenHannon> Really? I thought it was on purpose, Josh.

    1:51AM � < apologeticDan> She’s doing an American accent on Melrose Place this year.

    1:52AM � < jfhenry> I was referring to the c sectioin not the accent. the accent was on purpose. as was the c section.

    1:52AM � On strange ideas

    1:52AM � < RoxyB> so…. is there a secret Connor daughter?

    1:52AM � < ashman01> THERE ARE NO SECRET FUCKING SIBLINGS.

    1:53AM � < ashman01> josh of course may disagree

    1:53AM � < jfhenry> Amen brother.

    1:53AM � < jfhenry> to both.

    1:53AM � < persia> Was Derek ever thought to be a love intrest for SC @JF?

    1:53AM � < ggmarie1234> you mean, no *more* secret fucking siblings?

    1:53AM � < jfhenry> @JF No to the love interest. icky.

    1:53AM � < steel1x1> @jfhernry Did John and Riley make whoopie in Episode 10 of Season 2?

    1:54AM � < ashman01> brb gotta pwn Hodir AND grab a fresh martini.

    1:55AM � < GKnee77> what if allison and kyle are together in the future? where does that leave john, that’s what i wanna know

    1:55AM � < jfhenry> see, there’s my need to clarify things I like to be clear, and my need not to clarify things I don’t want clear. atough line.

    1:55AM � < antar> well, that’s what season 3 is for…

    1:55AM � < schmacky> uuuuuuuuuugh@ kyle and allison being together. No no no no no.

    1:55AM � < persia> Wait was that answer about Riley and John?

    1:55AM � <~astropixie> Sometimes fandom makes me want to stab my eyes out with a spork.

    1:56AM � < jfhenry> @persia: no. and no, they didn’thave sex.

    1:56AM � < steel1x1> @jfherny Thank you for clearing that up.

    2:01AM � Speculation and Deadlines

    2:01AM � < jfhenry> I think everybody has a right to speculate S3 and until it’s bro9adcast on fox then anything’s fair game. I do think there’s been some loony shit written about s2.

    2:03AM � < nlynn> How long does it take you guys to write an episode?

    2:03AM � < RebelFraggle> I just want to keep Derek! BEST UNCLE EVER! That park scene where he showed John his father as a child. I cried for an hour

    2:03AM � < ashman01> nothing fans say surprises me

    2:03AM � <~astropixie> Yeah, how long does it take to write an ep?

    2:03AM � < ashman01> when i started on andromeda, I used to drop into fan chat rooms all the damn time.

    2:03AM � < ashman01> people said shit that would curl your hair

    2:03AM � < ashman01> it would curl your curly hairs

    2:03AM � < apologeticDan> @nlynn We usually spend a week in the writers’ room firming up the story, then when the script gets assigned to a writer, he/she usually has about 7 days ot do it

    2:03AM � < jfhenry> @nlynn: maybe a week and change to break it (outline it) and two weeks to write it. Sometimes a lot less if we’re crunchyed.

    2:04AM � < apologeticDan> two weeks??

    2:04AM � < jfhenry> ish.

    2:04AM � < nlynn> Thanks. Do you go through a lot of revisions or are you guys pretty much in sync at this point?

    2:04AM � < ashman01> 7 days? you pussies.

    2:04AM � <jfhenry> I was talking about toni

    2:05AM � < apologeticDan> haaa

    2:05AM � < apologeticDan> nice

    2:05AM � < cinebo> k this is THE best night ever

    2:05AM � < talli> Dan is wondering why everyone else gets two weeks and not him…

    2:05AM � < jfhenry> WE broke the finale in four days, then ash dan and I re-broke it in four hours over sushi, and then I wrote it in four days

    2:05AM � < apologeticDan> Seriously. This realization could impact my answer to the “How’s Josh as a boss?” question.

    2:06AM � < ashman01> that was a ton of fun btw

    2:06AM � < ashman01> my wife was PISSED

    2:06AM � < ashman01> mainly because i forgot to call and tell her I was gonna be… very late

    2:06AM � < nlynn> At least there was sushi.

    2:06AM � < jfhenry> I was guessing, Dan. I never paid attention. No one ever gave me two weeks.

    2:07AM � < apologeticDan> Well honestly the other issue with most writers is, even if you do get two weeks, what percentage of that time is spent screwing around?

    2:07AM � < ashman01> best story beat on the board ever: “cameron john travoltas through prison”

    2:07AM � < jfhenry> we were paranoid about all the eps, but especially last two.

    2:08AM � < cinebo> Cameron shots up the prison to “stayin alive” lol

    2:08AM � < talli> @Dan Ash tends to refer to it as f*cking around…but screwing works

    2:08AM � < jfhenry> the bag death we were worried would get out. as well as hk crash. lots of fightws with fox marketing re revealing shirley was metal

    2:09AM � < apologeticDan> @talli Yeah I’d typically default to that terminology as well, but I’m in apologetic mode for earlier linguistic transgressions.

    2:09AM � < Thecolours> @ Josh Fox did leak that poster of the T-1001 before the premiere.

    2:09AM � < jfhenry> @coloours and I was screaming at people on the phone

    2:14AM � On American Idol

    2:14AM � < timt2318> i find it even harder to belive that 30M people watch a freaking singing competition weekly!

    2:14AM � < jfhenry> Go Adam Lambert!

    2:16AM � On L�Amour and Conventions

    2:16AM � < kevinj> @Josh Ash Dan what did you think about the midseason break?

    2:16AM � < jfhenry> Yeah, romance. As I say to the writers in the room, when I get laid, the characters’ll get laid.

    2:16AM � < CIsaac> Josh and Ash, you guys make a great, great show. I love it. Thank you for all the time you’ve given us.

    2:16AM � < apologeticDan> @kevinj Most of the time those things are a production necessity with a 22 ep season

    2:16AM � < schmacky> @josh… do we need to write letters to your wife then or something?

    2:17AM � < ashman01> josh, uh… derek did get laid

    2:17AM � < ashman01> quite a bit it seems like

    2:17AM � < cinebo> LOL

    2:17AM � < jfhenry> huh.

    2:17AM � < RebelFraggle> But he is DEREK

    2:17AM � < schmacky> @ash… i think that’s all Derek did in S2 :P

    2:17AM � < apologeticDan> @nlynn I’m too low on the totem pole to get invited to cons, but someday when I create my own quirky show for the Starz network…

    2:17AM � < ashman01> as natalie chaidez wisely observed: “a man’s gotta fuck”

    2:18AM � < ashman01> that was the original title for “today is the day”. true story

    2:19AM � < jfhenry> someone on sarah connor society figured out an entire episode before it aired. can’t remember which one…

    2:19AM � < ashman01> I go to cons all the time. natalie wasn’t kidding in her blog. I asked for comic-con as a religious holiday

    2:19AM � < CIsaac> @jfhenry — It was RoxyB

    2:19AM � < ashman01> dan thomsen will tell you it was time well spent this year

    2:19AM � < jfhenry> right. that was it.

    2:20AM � < jfhenry> that’s why i hate spoilers

    2:20AM � < apologeticDan> Oh yeah, if any of you run into Ash at ComicCon… DO NOT LET HIM OUT OF YOUR SIGHT. You will have the most recklessly entertaining times ever.

    2:20AM � < ashman01> what with being pressed into service as an impromptu porn director at the wrath of con party

    2:20AM � < apologeticDan> Ash snuck me into that party, btw

    2:20AM � < CIsaac> @schmacky — Roxy’s our little savant. Action Figures to Drama plots, she does everything.

    2:20AM � < jfhenry> roxy wrote the anti-jameron rant, didn’t she?

    2:21AM � < RoxyB> heh – yeah that was me

    2:21AM � < jfhenry> someone sent that to me. that was genius. really. possibly my favorite thing written about the show.

    2:21AM � < schmacky> @josh.. i gotta ask and you probably won’t answer but… are you a Jameron? Really? lol

    2:22AM � <~astropixie> Just what is wrong with Jameron, huh? (Not that we even like to call it that…)

    2:22AM � < ashman01> roxy you do the action figures thing?

    2:23AM � < jfhenry> @schmacky: weirdly, I think I am. I say weirdly only because people ripped me up and down all year for ignoring the whole thing. But I think if you look at he eps I wrote they’re very jameron-y. I just think sometimes the show takes you in places you’re not expecting and you go there.

    2:23AM � < timt2318> hey, josh, ashman, dan – can you spill the beans about the Jordan storyline from season 1

    2:23AM � < ashman01> WHO?

    2:23AM � < schmacky> @josh lol oh no, you just went down a notch in my book… jk :P sorta..kinda.. hehe but i give ya props nonetheless

    2:24AM � < castellan_craft> @Ash, jordan was the girl that flung herself off the roof

    2:24AM � < cinebo> the one Cameron tried to give the tight present to =D

    2:24AM � < apologeticDan> Morris asked Jordan to the prom before he asked Cameron.

    2:24AM � < ashman01> oh yeah. her arc was more or less ballistic from the roof to the concrete

    2:24AM � < cinebo> i liked Morris

    2:24AM � < ashman01> any other questions?

    2:24AM � < persia> That kid was so cute. “just say yes”

    2:24AM � < ashman01> YOU SEE, FRIEDMAN? PEOPLE LIKE MORRIS

    2:25AM � < jfhenry> When David Nutter read the pilot script and he and I had dinner to decide if he was right for the show he pitched the whole thing as romeo and juliet.

    2:25AM � < Thecolours> Morris would have been cool if he was a gray.

    2:26AM � < apologeticDan> I can’t remember how much of Morris’s monologue about the scar he got stage diving at a Bjork concert made it to the airwaves, but I loved writing that.

    [insert two minutes of everyone comparing how late it is where they are.]

    2:28AM � < jfhenry> I believe that all of s2 comes out of John’s embarassment over realizing in ep1 that he might love Cameron

    2:28AM � < schmacky> I have a question… @josh @ash @dan… who’s your favorite character?

    2:29AM � <~astropixie> That is an excellent belief, Josh. Aelysian and I are going to die of shippy excitement now.

    2:29AM � < heroeswench> wow that is cool knowledge and shades things differently Josh

    2:29AM � < steel1x1> @jfhenry Well is josh said it.Its cannon.

    2:29AM � < ashman01> to be a ship, it has to run both ways

    2:30AM � <~astropixie> Oh. We can make it run both ways.

    2:30AM � < RebelFraggle> @Johs @ASh was the use of water a conscious metaphor or something that just sort of happened over time? Or am I reading too much into it?

    2:30AM � < apologeticDan> My favorite character was/is John. I’ve always identified the most with him and always been most inspired to think of creative ways to F up his life.

    2:30AM � < ashman01> use of water where?

    2:30AM � < kevinj> @Josh Dan Ash was Cameron serious about the whole “I love you” thing?

    2:30AM � <~astropixie> Lol Dan.

    2:30AM � < jfhenry> @kevinj that’s one I’ll never answer.

    2:31AM � < timt2318> that’s what makes him real apologeticdan – just a regular guy who want to do regular things

    2:31AM � < apologeticDan> Cromartie crashing John’s first date is kinda along those lines.

    2:31AM � < Thecolours> @ Josh,Dan, Ash. What was up with the baby moninter in Complications? Was there a hidden message being played?

    2:31AM � < Belial69699> @talli, so far from what Ive read Derek comes off as.. soft? I guess is the word. In the show hes a lil more of a hard @ss imo. Might want to give him a slight adjustment in attitude. but thats my opinion. I still think ur doing great =)

    2:32AM � < jfhenry> @the colours: w/o being coy I’d have to say that it is specific and for the life of me i can’t remember what it is.

    2:32AM � < ashman01> bella… he shot his best friend in the head and may have offed the mother of his child. exactly how hard would you like this man to be?

    2:32AM � < cinebo> OOOH can u tell us why Cameron’s eye was red in the finale but BLUE otherwise? =D

    2:32AM � < CIsaac> @Josh Ash Dan — random question, in episode 2×21 when the Kaliba guys zap Cameron with electricity + water, how’s she able to reboot quicker than the 120 second timer? Is that something that can be answered?

    2:33AM � < ashman01> oh yeah

    2:33AM � < talli> @Belia I haven’t really done anything with Derek (soft or hard–dirty?) I will soon though. Although I do think this Derek is different anyway, which is why I’ve avoided writing for him

    2:33AM � < ashman01> he one-armed a fucking 50 cal sniper rifle.

    2:34AM � < nlynn> @josh, Ash, Dan: In the basement, did Cameron torture Derek into giving up the resistance location?

    2:34AM � < jfhenry> no basement talk.

    2:34AM � < RebelFraggle> @ ASh Crap, I read too much into it, didn’t I? I just felt that water was very present from the FBI agents falling into the water at the end of season 1, and Cromartie chasing John off the dock, and the water men at the end of season 2. I just kept thinking that there was an underlying metaphor there, probably to do with the origin of life.

    2:34AM � < talli> @ash Bellia was referring to my Derek, not the show’s Derek

    2:35AM � < LucasZenHannon> Word. One issue, though: When you guys shoot scenes in the future, why do you have the actors act like the rifles have kickback? Aren’t they laser rifles?

    2:35AM � < cinebo> @JOSH @ASH can u say hwy Cameron’s eye was red instead of blue or is it a secret for later if there is a later?

    2:36AM � < jfhenry> cinebo: it’s red because at the core, she’s a terminator. plain and simple.

    2:36AM � < apologeticDan> I think plasma would have a little bit of kickback. It has mass. But I dunno.

    2:36AM � < RoxyB> Ah, so Cameron’s blue eye color was indicative of having been reprogrammed?

    2:37AM � < RoxyB> but then red when she was messed up?

    2:37AM � < schmacky> @Roxy… it was blue because Cameron likes that color. Her leather jacket shoulda been blue

    2:37AM � < castellan_craft> Maybe there was a filter in her eye between the red eye and the cornea?

    2:37AM � < morricone> RoxyB, maybe it’s red because of licensing issues with the T model from T3

    2:37AM � < jfhenry> the lens itself is red. there’d never be a reason to change the lens color.

    2:38AM � < ashman01> also

    2:38AM � < ashman01> red is awesome

    2:38AM � < ashman01> it flashed blue in season one.

    2:38AM � < jfhenry> I made it blue in the pilot to indicate she was different but that wasn’t to suggest the hardware was blue. no reason for it.

    2:38AM � < ashman01> you did not see her naked eye in season one

    2:38AM � < Leetmouse> @ash you said boobs were awesome….

    2:38AM � < ashman01> boobies are awesome

    2:39AM � < LucasZenHannon> Oh, I have a question. Coltan is supposed to be extremely heavy, right? It’s been shown in the films (and I think the show as well) that Terminators are hard to lift. Why doesn’t Cameron break beds and chairs w/ her heavy ass?

    2:39AM � < ashman01> terminators weigh what we weigh

    2:40AM � < Belial69699> @Lucas thought it was supposed to be extremely dense? not heavy

    2:40AM � < ashman01> tantalum is actually very light, like titanium

    2:40AM � < schmacky> LUcas@ T3 was stupid for making Terms so heavy.. how could they ever drive the cars if they were that heavy??

    2:40AM � < ashman01> or just put a fucking scale outside of every resistance base

    2:40AM � <~astropixie> So they just suck at swimming, then?

    2:40AM � < talli> @ash Didn’t Josh once say Cam weighs about 30% than a human girl her size?

    2:40AM � < ashman01> “john does my ass look fat?”

    2:41AM � < jfhenry> terminators weight hte same as human counterparts

    2:41AM � < ashman01> ‘it doesn’t look fat but you weigh the same as a fucking rhinocerous.”

    2:42AM � < apologeticDan> Okay, I’m fighting a cold so I’m going to read in bed until the Advil Cold & Sinus knocks me out.

    2:42AM � < ashman01> night dan

    2:42AM � < persia> Bye

    2:42AM � < antar> bye

    2:42AM � < LucasZenHannon> Cya, dan.

    2:42AM � < airofina> bye Dan =)

    2:42AM � < Leetmouse> cya dan

    2:42AM � <~astropixie> Bye Dan! Thanks for stopping by! And sorry we kicked you off!

    2:42AM � < apologeticDan> Enjoy rest of the weekend, all!

    2:42AM � < twistdmentality> hast luego

    2:42AM � < castellan_craft> Seeeeeeeeeya

    2:42AM � < LordByronX> night

    2:42AM � < nlynn> Night!

    2:42AM � < talli> Bye Dan!

    2:43AM � < apologeticDan> No worries, astro. Sorry about the lame handle.

    2:43AM � Drinkie

    2:43AM � < Thecolours> @Josh, Dan, Ash. How much are you doing to drink Monday night if SCC gets renewed?

    2:43AM � < ashman01> more than you might imagine

    [insert three minutes of talk of drunkenness and disliking a certain television network.]

    2:46AM � < ashman01> there is ZERO chance I’m drunk dialing kevin reilly

    2:47AM � < Thecolours> @Josh what other names did you have in mind for SCC as a show title?

    2:47AM � < CIsaac> @ashman01 — C’mon! We’d pay good money to hear that!

    2:47AM � < cinebo> no lets all spam Ausiello’s inbox lol

    2:47AM � < ashman01> i think james middleton came up with the title but I could be wrong

    2:47AM � < jfhenry> @colours: I inherited the title. and i’ve never liked it.

    2:49AM � Dollhouse and other things

    2:49AM � � < ashman01> i’m happy for dollhouse. I think we should support our fans, and joss is one of them

    2:49AM � � < LucasZenHannon> Writers: If there is one thing you wish to accomplish, one message you want to relay with TSCC, what would it be?

    2:50AM � < ashman01> lucas: never trust a fucking robot.

    2:50AM � < LucasZenHannon> oh, snap.

    2:50AM � < CIsaac> @ashman01 — Dude, that’s awesome.

    2:51AM � <~astropixie> Okay. Noted. Not trusting robots. Except Wall-E.

    2:57AM � The chatroom grew in size again. With fifty conversations going on at once, here are snippets.

    2:57AM �< LucasZenHannon> AHA, Question for writers again: Which character do you most connect with? Why?

    2:57AM � < ashman01> derek. because like him, I lived through the apocalypse and traveled back in time to kill my best friend.

    2:57AM � < jfhenry> i like writing all of them. but the most pure writer fun is any of the terminators.

    2:58AM � < ashman01> and in my heart of hearts… I <3 Murch

    2:59AM � < jfhenry> i forget about murch. i love writing murch.

    2:59AM � < CIsaac> Thou Shalt Not Say LG’s Name.

    3:01AM � < Thecolours> @ Josh Are you going to work on new pilot if SCC is a no go?

    3:02AM � < jfhenry> @thecolours:yes. a new pilot. probably write a movie, too. definitely a pilot.

    3:04AM � < kevinj> @Josh Ash will your next show be a scifi show or something else

    3:05AM � < jfhenry> @kevinj I love writing sf and while we may be experiencing a weird little golden age with the various genre shows that are out, most of them fail and it’s a tough sell. My agent practically hangs up on me if I use the word spaceship.

    3:06AM � < kevinj> @Josh too bad, you’ve a mind for it

    3:06AM � < CIsaac> @Josh — Never give up! Never surrender!

    3:06AM � < Leetmouse> @josh I have a story about a boy and his termina….. oh wait

    3:06AM � < jfhenry> that’s not to say I won’t write one, it’s just challenging for broadcast.

    3:06AM � < RebelFraggle> @Josh your writing is awesome and we will follow you whatever you decide to create in the future

    3:06AM � < The_GodfatherSJP> Is it me or are all the shows becoming the same except for Sci-Fi? It’s kinda depressing

    3:06AM � < talli> I feel like Ash might’ve passed out on his keyboard…

    3:06AM � < jfhenry> well ash is probably drunk.

    3:07AM � < jfhenry> this is the genius of lost. no one knew it saw syfy for three years.

    3:07AM � < jfhenry> and by syfy i mean scifi

    3:08AM � On Television and Books

    3:08 AM � < ashman01> I AM FINE

    3:08 AM � < ashman01> i am so awake you cant believe it

    3:08 AM � < jfhenry> episodic and focused on romance. and also a very un-sci fi idea: survivor!

    3:09AM � < kevinj> @Josh Ash do you watch much TV? Have a favorite show other than TSCC?

    3:10AM � < jfhenry> The Wire, Deadwood, The Office, Rescue Me, S1 of Dexter

    3:10AM � < ashman01> I loved dexter season 1 and 2

    3:10AM � < ashman01> heroes season 1

    3:10AM � < ashman01> i have an on-off love affair with lost

    3:10AM � < timt2318> season 3 of dexter kicked *ss

    3:11AM � < ashman01> i think the first 3 seasons of BSG were amazing

    3:11AM � < ashman01> I’m a huge trek fan

    3:11AM � < CIsaac> @Josh @Ash — Are there any scifi novels that influenced you or made you enjoy the genre? Anything from Asimov to Scalzi or someone in between?

    3:11AM � < jfhenry> I made the writers read Ender’s Game before S1.

    3:12AM � < LucasZenHannon> Why Ender’s Game, though? Any thematic points you wanted to mirror in the show?

    3:12AM � < The_GodfatherSJP> don’t get made at me everyone, including you Josh and Ashley, but I think BSG was better than TSCC

    3:12AM � < guest_073> wait wait…why enders game? it was good , but why?:P

    3:12AM � < SADGUY> how are the DVR Ratings of TSCC Season 2 ?

    3:13AM � < ashman01> our dvr numbers are insane

    3:13AM � < jfhenry> Difficult choices a leader must make, sacrifices of the personal for the sake of the whole, blah blah blah.

    3:13AM � < R> yay. happy. thanks ash for the info

    3:13AM � <~astropixie> Yeah, Godfather, we must have been watching different shows. With BSG you grew to despise every single character. With SCC you love them. I’m sorry, that’s a big difference in quality.

    3:14AM � < ashman01> for the record: he didn’t make me or zack read ender’s game, as we had already read it.

    3:14AM � < kevinj> @Josh read any heilein?

    3:15AM � < jfhenry> haven’t read much heinlein. love neal stephenson, dan simmons’s hyperion, vernor vinge fire upon the deep

    3:16AM � < guest_073> jfhenry : The Forever War is pretty appropriate for the terminator series

    3:16AM � < jfhenry> Love forever war.

    3:16AM � < castellan_craft> Ever heard of Neil Gaiman Josh?

    3:17AM � < jfhenry> i follow neil on twitter

    3:17AM � < ashman01> I love heinlein

    3:17AM � < kevinj> @Josh I really want to read Dan Simmon’s Ilium, Love Neil Stephenson, need to read Vernor Vinge too many books…

    3:17AM � < ashman01> the moon is a harsh mistress is amazing

    3:17AM � < ashman01> it makes me cry

    3:18AM � < starkiller> someone was talking about the moon is a harsh mistress being made into a movie

    3:19AM � < CIsaac> There’s rumors about Heinlein’s stuff all the time. But we usually get a ‘Starship Troopers’ abortion.

    3:20AM � < starkiller> @Ash the cat who walked through wallls

    3:20AM � < ashman01> i think job and cat who… are good reads, but they aren’t his best works

    3:20AM � < ashman01> i also second josh’s emotion about hyperion

    3:20AM � < ashman01> along those lines, a case for conscience

    3:20AM � < kevinj> Hyperion, yet another book I need to read

    3:21AM � < ashman01> which i wanna say is james blish

    3:21AM � < timt2318> anyone read lee child?

    3:21AM � < kevinj> @Ash Josh did either of you read the Terminator books?

    3:21AM � < ashman01> newp

    3:21AM � < persia> I need to get up on Scifi books, all I’ve read is Brave New World

    3:21AM � <~astropixie> I just cannot get into Hyperion. Forty pages in and I don’t give a shit.

    3:21AM � < jfhenry> I’ve read three or four lee childs but not for a while.

    3:21AM � < jfhenry> don’t read terminator books

    3:22AM � < jfhenry> don’t think about timelines. you’ll never finish your script.

    3:22AM � < ashman01> I did

    3:22AM � < RebelFraggle> @ashman you are awesome

    3:22AM � < ashman01> shades of toni graphia

    3:23AM � < ashman01> there are few pleasures in life greater than explaining time travel to toni.

    3:24AM � < persia> Do you worry when reading books that you will steal an idea?

    3:24AM � < jfhenry> @persia I hope I do

    3:26AM � < RebelFraggle> @jfhenry will we ever find out what happened to Danny Dyson?

    3:26AM � < jfhenry> if we get a season three.

    3:27AM � < persia> Hey when people send stuff to actors is it thrown out or they actually get it?

    3:27AM � < jfhenry> I don’t know fi they get it.

    3:28AM � < RebelFraggle> @Josh besides Summer, was the casting process difficult for TSCC? Did the studio not like anybody?

    3:29AM � < jfhenry> Summer wasn’t difficult to cast. Thomas was the hardest. People were very uptight about that role. thomas auditioned about a thousand times. But he was the best in every round of auditions. Never a doubt for me.

    3:29AM � < cinebo> oh god Thomas was PERFECT hands down

    3:29AM � < equustel> so much love for Thomas as John.

    3:29AM � There is talk of the usefulness of dogs in a post-Judgment Day world. Which culminates in:

    3:30AM � < ashman01> gknee: who the fuck eats their terminator detector?

    3:30AM � < ashman01> I’ll eat YOU before I eat the damn dog.

    3:30AM � < persia> Do you make actors cry while auditioning?

    3:30AM � < jfhenry> do you mean do i make them cry on purpose

    3:30AM � < ashman01> no, we save making them cry for after they’re cast

    3:31AM � < jfhenry> well it was hard to cast sarah for those reasons but it wasn’t hard once we found lena. the studio and network loved her so once we saw her it was great. the other two hundred auditions were kinda of tedious.

    3:32AM � < LucasZenHannon> You what we need? Ash and Josh as terminators.

    3:32AM � < jfhenry> i didn’t care if she was skinny or buff, i was interested in inner strength. we hired lena angelina jolie’s trainer from tomb raider and he worked her out hard and she just got leaner. so be it.

    3:33AM � < ashman01> “fuck away. I’m gonna die tomorrow.” THAT dialogue is going in a script.

    3:34AM � < ashman01> I don’t think it will mean what you think it means.

    3:34AM � < hero77> @Josh – opinion on T4′s PG13 rating ?

    3:35AM � < jfhenry> don’t know much about t4, rating or otherwise. looks cool, though.

    3:35AM � < ashman01> not my question but… PG-13 terminator movie? WTF? I’ve already blasted James Middleton on this question

    3:36AM � < cinebo> yeah but isnt pg13 today what R USED to be?

    3:36AM � < LucasZenHannon> @ash, I saw a special in which the director was explaining he didn’t need all that violence and gore to tell a story

    3:37AM � < morded> @Josh, I was wondering if the show does get canceled are you and the rest of the writers going to try and fight to get it renewed somewhere else like another network, or Direct to DVD?

    3:37AM � < morded> The reason I ask is what’s the point of the fans fighting to keep the show going if it’s only the fans that are going to be fighting to keep it going and not anyone else.

    3:36AM � 3:38AM � For the sake of coherency…a conversation about boobies took place, concluded by:

    3:38AM � < ashman01> but really at the end of the day, i think we can all agree… boobies are awesome. I’m pretty sure that even my unborn son will give me a hell yeah on that one.

    3:39AM � < newspeak3> @josh and ash : just wanted to say thanks for doing this

    3:39AM � < jfhenry> @morded: the point is, everyone does what they can for the shows they love. you guys have done all you can, and we’ve done all we can. we try to write the shit out of our show and hope we make ourselves undeniably present and accounted for.

    3:39AM � < ashman01> you’re welcome.

    3:39AM � <~astropixie> I cannot believe Ash and Josh are still here with us, hours later. Thank you so much for dropping by.

    3:40AM � < RoxyB> Josh and Ash are awesome

    3:40AM � < equustel> @Josh, you have, and thank you for that.

    3:40AM � < cinebo> Ash and Josh you guys rock more than you’ll ever know sirs!!

    3:40AM � < stark74> writers: whose idea was that using ” Richard Steven hack ” ‘s name on the episode?

    3:40AM � <~aelysian> Thank you. Both. So much. This was fucking awesome and pretty much my cardio for the week.

    3:40AM � < airofina> yes, thank you Josh and Ash. you guys are so fucking awesome! =D

    3:40AM � < ashman01> that was zack

    3:40AM � < ashman01> and for the record, I had no idea what he was doing when he did it

    3:41AM � < ashman01> and had I known (or had Josh known, I suspect) it wouldn’t have happened.

    3:41AM � < CIsaac> @Josh — You definitely wrote the shit out of this show and no matter what, you guys should know we think you’re awesome and appreciate everything and getting all this time with your awesome writing and characters.

    3:41AM � < jfhenry> on that not people…I have to leave now. The wife and dog can’t sleep until I’ve taken at least one of them out into the yard. Please know that I appreciate everything y’all have done. No matter what happens be proud of yourselves. And don’t stop fighting for the shows you love. Good night.

    3:42AM � < cinebo> THANKS SO MUCH JOSH good night!!

    3:42AM � < jessicatron> night josh :)

    3:42AM � < LucasZenHannon> Daw.

    3:42AM � < twistdmentality> Thanks for stopping by. It’s much appreciated.

    3:42AM � < CIsaac> Good night, Josh!

    3:42AM � < stevenlu> good night, many thanks for the show ash and josh

    3:42AM � < ashman01> night boss.

    3:42AM � < LucasZenHannon> *cries*

    3:42AM � < SADGUY> good night josh, thanks

    3:42AM � < castellan_craft> Good night. :D

    3:42AM � < morricone> gn8

    3:42AM � < talli> @Josh good night and thanks!

    3:42AM � < persia> Thank you for your time

    3:42AM � <~aelysian> Much love. Thanks!

    3:42AM � < timt2318> thanks for stopping by josh

    3:42AM � < RoxyB> good night!

    3:42AM � < rjmatz> night josh, thanks much

    3:42AM � < airofina> bye Josh, thank you SO MUCH for stopping by =D

    3:42AM � < equustel> ‘Night, Josh! THANK YOU.

    3:42AM � < LucasZenHannon> Goodnight, sweet prince.

    3:42AM � < Belial69699> Take care Josh

    3:42AM � < kevinj> Thanks Josh and goodnight!

    3:42AM � This trend of goodnights and thank yous continues.

    3:43AM � On That Dude From That Place That We Don�t Like

    3:43AM � < ashman01> so on the richard hack thing… fun that he ended up dead, but I personally make it a rule to only name characters after people I like

    3:43AM �< ashman01> you get so few opportunities, why waste them on people you don’t want to immortalize?

    3:44AM � < ashman01> fun trivia fact

    3:44AM �< ashman01> the picture associated with richard hack… was me.

    3:44AM �< timt2318> so, what’s the deal with this richard hack dude? psycho? i googled him and am going through the results

    3:45AM � < CIsaac> @Ash – That’s really, really unfortunate.

    3:45AM � < ashman01> on the monitor. three photos pop up. the first is me

    3:45AM � < talli> @timt He’s a “fan” who hates the show

    3:47AM � Username Mangling. It happens to all of us.

    3:47AM � < JH> we loves the ass man

    3:47AM � < persia> @ASHMAN are you going to Comic Con as a fan?

    3:47AM � < persia> or for TSCC?

    3:47AM � < ashman01> the uh… ass man?

    3:47AM � < timt2318> what made you josh and dan decide to stop in on the chat?

    3:48AM � < ashman01> persia i go every year

    3:48AM � < kevinj> @ Ash will you be writing for any other shows in the near future or are you exclusively TSCC

    3:48AM � < timt2318> now ashman is the ass man, new profession. he’ll like proctology

    3:48AM � < ashman01> kevin that is a complicated question. I will answer it on monday.

    3:48AM � < ashman01> but

    3:48AM � < cinebo> ass man?? what i miss?

    3:48AM � < ashman01> I will say that zack and I are working on a movie/backdoor pilot for cartoon network

    3:49AM � < ashman01> and we’re writing a very major motion picture that I can’t talk about.

    3:49AM �< kevinj> @Ash really? I will be looking for it

    3:49AM �< ashman01> very, very major

    3:49AM �< hero77> green lantern

    3:49AM � < ashman01> nope

    3:49AM � < hero77> with bag

    3:49AM � < ashman01> I would love to write GL for BAG, but that’s not happening atm

    3:49AM � < Another_french_fan> Don’t forget we love TSCC and Terminator around here

    3:50AM � < Zable> Uhm, what’s a backdoor pilot?

    3:50AM � < ashman01> hi french fan, thanks for dropping in

    3:50AM � < ashman01> its basically a TV movie and if it does well they’ll order a series

    3:50AM � < ashman01> it’s the kind of thing where we’d just write it and then go off and do other things, but consult.

    3:51AM � < rjmatz> @ash is it for adult swim or a normal for kids cartoon?

    3:51AM � < ashman01> wtf is with people calling me ass man?

    3:52AM � < newspeak3> @ash i guess they’re bad spellers

    3:52AM � < ashman01> it’s live action actually

    3:52AM � < ashman01> hey here’s a fun fact

    3:52AM � < ashman01> yuri lowenthal who played sonarman garvin in the 2-parter is the voice of superman on legion of superheroes. he’s also Ben 10 and Naruto,

    3:53AM � < RoxyB> Okay, so with Josh gone, Ash can now tell us everything about the plan for s3, right Ash?

    3:53AM � < ashman01> we went to college together. same freshman hall.

    3:53AM �< RebelFraggle> @ash, so he would have all the dirt on you then?

    3:53AM � < ashman01> I’m not gonna tell you anything about s3 =)

    3:53AM � < ashman01> oh yeah

    3:54AM � < CIsaac> @RoxyB – DENIED

    3:54AM � < RoxyB> it was worth a shot

    3:54AM � < ashman01> ask him about the time we went to see V for Vendetta on my birthday

    3:54AM �< guest_046> Ashley, do you and Zack write head to head (in a room together) or do you divide the work and write separately? I’m always curious how writing with a partner works.

    3:54AM � < ashman01> every partnership works differently. we plan together, write alone.

    3:54AM �< guest_395> what’s the feynman chronicles?

    3:55AM � < persia> How do you know what to writeor you each write a whole episode and crop it together?

    3:55AM � < ashman01> the feynman chronicles is a spec feature we wrote more or less on a dare that ended up selling to disney.

    3:56AM � < ashman01> persia, we split the baby and then put it back together. not always the same scheme for dividing things up

    3:56AM � < ashman01> sometimes it’s by act or group of acts, sometimes by a-b-c story

    3:57AM � < timt2318> is it hard getting into the writing business, ashman?

    3:57AM � < ashman01> we have very similar voices. and we do several polishes to sync things up

    3:57AM � < ashman01> timt: first, thank you for not calling me ass man.

    3:58AM � < timt2318> it was hard, but i didnt

    3:58AM � < ashman01> timt: it’s very hard, but I’m not the guy to ask. I fell out of the sky with a job on andromeda.

    3:58AM �< persia> Have you ever had an idea that you loved and someone else totally hated?

    3:58AM � < ashman01> I THINK YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE, ASS-MAN CALLERS.

    3:58AM �< timt2318> lol, so that was your first writing gig?

    3:59AM � < ashman01> yes timt

    3:59AM �< honestyy> ashman, was it always somehing you wanted to do?

    3:59AM �<~astropixie> And we heart you very much for falling out of the sky with Andromeda.

    3:59AM � < ashman01> yes. it’s what i always wanted to do.

    3:59AM � < ashman01> persia, I feel as though I have those ideas all the time

    4:00AM � < ashman01> or I have ideas that people think are crazy and I must beat them into agreeing with me.

    4:00AM � < ashman01> e.g., the structure of “Mister Ferguson is Ill Today”

    4:01AM � < R> that ep was awesome

    4:01AM � < persia> Oh man and that was an awesome episode

    4:01AM � < newspeak3> @ashman do you have a fav episode?

    4:01AM � < CIsaac> Mr. Ferguson was amazing

    4:01AM � < JH> ep awesome yes

    4:01AM � < ml805> great episode

    4:01AM � < ashman01> dan did a wonderful job with it. but we had to create a whole new method of breaking story just to get it on the board.

    4:03AM � Playing with the minds of fans is fun!

    4:03AM � < ashman01> you guys didn’t get to see my two favorite parts

    4:04AM � < Zokreb> I believe this question has been discussed a million times but : Do we have an idea (explanation) why there has been gossip around the renewal of “chuck”, the renewal of “dollhouse” for some weeks now. we also know for sure which are the new shows that FOX picked up (or dropped) for 2009/2010. But no gossip at all concerning tscc ? I mean, nothing ?

    4:04AM � < cinebo> got i would LOVE to see behind the scenes stuff of the writers room

    4:04AM � < ashman01> first: for budget reasons, we had to cut a lot of cromartie’s attack on the police station. he was supposed to be stymied by the police, say “I’ll be back” in spanish, and then drive his car through the wall.

    4:05AM � < ashman01> zok i wish i knew

    4:05AM �< castellan_craft> OMG that is a tragic loss of a scene

    4:05AM �< CIsaac> That would have been amazing.

    4:05AM � < ashman01> second: the dog’s story.

    4:05AM �< timt2318> the dog?

    4:05AM �< cinebo> lol

    4:05AM �< R> dog’s story. lol.

    4:05AM � < ashman01> there was supposed to be a story from a dog’s POV on the street.

    4:05AM �<~astropixie> Aww that would have been adorable

    4:05AM �< timt2318> are you serious?

    4:05AM � < ashman01> and it was AMAZING

    4:06AM � < timt2318> you’re bullsh*tting

    4:06AM � < ashman01> everyone who heard it simply flipped out.

    4:06AM � < guest_046> Aw, I mourn the loss of the dog’s story.

    4:06AM � < ashman01> I’m not

    4:06AM � < ashman01> you were supposed to see the dog with derek and cameron. think nothing of it. then see the dog’s story at the very, very end.

    4:06AM � < guest_138> wouldn’t the dog be constantly barking at cameron?

    4:07AM � < ashman01> well… the curious thing about the dog in the nighttime…

    4:07AM � < timt2318> dog in the nighttime? pray tell

    4:07AM � < RebelFraggle> I want that part of the script with the dog. We can make crude flash versions for youtube

    4:07AM � < ashman01> if you know your sherlock holmes, you’ll understand everything

    4:08AM � < persia> the hound of the baskerville??

    4:08AM � < ashman01> the curious incident of the dog in the night time…

    4:09AM � < ashman01> now i’m having way too much fun fucking with you.

    4:09AM � < timt2318> f*ck

    4:09AM � < airofina> loll

    4:10AM � < timt2318> i knew you were bullsh*tting about the dog

    4:10AM � <~astropixie> Better to be fucked with by Ash than anyone else, I guess

    4:10AM � < ashman01> what makes me laugh most about fans (in answer to your question) is how eagerly you jump on the tiniest things and explode these huge implications from throwaway lines or shots.

    4:10AM � < ashman01> and btw… it’s awesome

    4:10AM � < CIsaac> Like c-section scars!

    4:10AM � < twistdmentality> we like to see things through

    4:11AM � < ashman01> because I’m a fan, too. I know I’ve been guilty of it.

    4:11AM �< hero77> like the damn basement scene

    4:11AM �< cinebo> ASHMAN that;s because we’re GEEKS! lol

    4:11AM �< CIsaac> Yes, we want to know what happened in the basement so ad.

    4:11AM �< CIsaac> bad, even

    4:12AM � < ashman01> I’d love to tell you that story. but if there’s a season 3, maybe we will.

    4:12AM �< morricone> @ash can you actually be a fan of your own show? and how many times did you watch the episodes?

    4:14AM � < ashman01> I consider myself a fan of the show, because I’m a fan of the franchise. If that’s not obvious from the white house lawn full of easter eggs strewn across our episodes… I don’t know what else to tell you

    4:15AM � < stevenlu> @ash, was there any particular reason as to why there was a huge gap between the basement scene and cameron confirming what happened?

    4:15AM � < ashman01> steven because you wait for the right moment to tell the story or go back to it

    4:16AM � < ashman01> for example… look how we waited forever to have sarah and derek come to terms with the Big Lie about what happened to Kyle and his relationship to John

    4:16AM � < ashman01> and it happened purely by accident, and neither of them wanted to discuss it.

    4:16AM � < ashman01> which felt real and not overblown

    4:16AM � < CIsaac> And Derek died right after.

    4:16AM � < RoxyB> that was awesome

    4:16AM � < CIsaac> Ouch.

    4:17AM – The End

    4:17AM � < ashman01> ok guys. I’

    4:17AM � < ashman01> I will take one or two more Q’s then its bed time

    4:17AM �< RoxyB> @Ash – Is there a reason why the starting point of all the future stuff has been 2027 instead of 2029?

    4:17AM � < ashman01> yes.

    4:17AM �< RoxyB> cool

    4:17AM �< RoxyB> :)

    4:17AM �< RebelFraggle> Thank you for joining us. You rock and we will be following you on twitter. Congrats to you and the misses!

    4:17AM �< persia> Oh bye Thank you so much for your time and answers

    4:17AM � < ashman01> lol i didnt mean for that to be the question

    4:18AM � < ashman01> but you’re very welcome.

    4:18AM �< starkiller> so what was the reason>

    4:18AM �< airofina> thank you Ash for taking the time to talk with all of us! and thank you for this AMAZING show! =D

    4:18AM � < ashman01> the reason is yes.

    4:18AM � < MattLive> @Ashman01 Thanks Ash just dropped in, plenty of interesting stuff has been said. Will be reading the logs. Good night.

    4:18AM �< castellan_craft> You rock ash

    4:18AM �< steel1x1> Thank You Ash!

    4:18AM �< antar> tnx for the chat, ash… ‘Night!

    4:18AM �< RoxyB> Ash, you rock. Hope you get to keep on rocking the show for us

    4:18AM �< rjmatz> thanks much ash

    4:18AM �<~aelysian> Thank you. So much.

    4:18AM �< guest_138> Thanks, ash.

    4:18AM � < ashman01> good night guys. and no matter what happens on monday…

    4:18AM �< twistdmentality> Thanks for this.

    4:19AM � < ashman01> THANK YOU. Your efforts have been truly moving.